Hi everyone,

Here's what I understand about cycle rates, etc from the books and the youtube videos. For every delta-t increment here in PMR, a vast amount of delta-t increments occur in NPMR. For every delta-t increment in NPMR, an even greater amount of delta-t increments occur in NPMRk. Then there is AUM's cycle, where perhaps billions of delta-t increments occur for every PMR increment.

I am interested in measuring the difference between PMR and NPMR increments. I suspect that attempting to measure NPMRk increments would be extremely difficult for a FWAU that is engrossed in PMR, so I am mainly interested in the rate of PMR increments vs NPMR increments.

Now, according to the quantum mind hypothesis, PMR increments 40 times per second. I am not too familiar with this theory, as I have read it only on The Monroe Institutes website. TMI has based their new SAM technology on this hypothesis with a good deal of success. For this reason, I think it is safe to posulate that there are 40 delta-t increments per PMR second. Unfortunately the use of PMR time measurements such as "seconds" may be limiting, but it's the best we have for now.

So, the PMR cycle rate is 40 increments per second.

Let's say a gifted explorer and an associate set up an experiment. Using EEG equipment, the associate can note the approximate moment when the explorer enters the OBE state. The explorer must count the seconds in his head as they pass, "one mississippi, two missippi..." for, say, thirty seconds. Obviously this method is not exact, but it's better than nothing. Then, the explorer returns to waking consciousness, and the associate stops the watch.

Using this crude method, it could be possible to get an idea of the difference between PMR and NPMR cycle rates.

I have some limited experience with this in dream reality. I once had a dream that seemed to last for hours, yet I was only asleep for about five minutes.

You have your time increments off. The speed of the PMR cycle rate is vastly faster than 40 Hertz or cycles per second. It is much faster than PMR science can measure. You might consider going to this page on the Wiki which is the index page for T in the version of MBT on Google books. There you can click on the page numbers and go to the reference to read what it says regarding time and delta t. You will find Tom's discussion of relative times somewhere there. http://wiki.my-big-toe.com/index.php/Index_T

You should also reconsider your understanding of time in multiple NPMRs. They can be entirely parallel with each other. I don't think that you could detect any difference between them. I don't know exactly where Tom got his figures for relative delta t of the VR rates in terms of fundamental LCS delta t rates. What you are stating is not feasible in my opinion.

Ted

year,

My understanding is that the two types of time are so widely different that the only thing that makes them lable-able under the same term is that afterward you can look back and say "Oo. Something just happened." ... that and there are identifiable sequences of events that can be housed by narrative.

Not only is NPMR time as connected to PMR time about as thoroughly as deep ocean motion is connected to the motions of a single surface bouey, but the deep ocean motions are of many different kinds and have speeds and directions of their own.

I haven't been following the TMI operation... I did see some blurb about 'SAM' ... but their presentation has come to feel like a quasi-bureaucratic operation that feels it has to be prodicing all the time and staying the public eye... and so... to me at least... a bit phoney that way, though I would bet that they do good work. My guess is that what was meant there was that human consciousness in the physical 'updates' at about 40 times a second. (at some particular level probably defined by particular kinds of nervous system events, I am just speculating here).

There is at least one thread on the puzzle of time discrepancies between the two .... there are a number of cases in the literature of people experiencing whole lifetimes during a single dream.


I think that Tom mentions having had that experience somewhere in his book.


Montana

Hi Montana,

It is true that many NPMR explorers have experienced a lifetime while only a short time in PMR passed. Robert Peterson (author of a book on OBEs, can't exactly remember the name) writes about living an entire lifetime while unconscious for only a minute or so during "the choking game." I personally have experienced a dream that lasted about ten years during a single REM period, and it took me about a week to fully adjust to "the real world" once again.

Meditators who practice insight meditation such as vipassana or noting often begin to experience reality as "vibrations." I wonder if they are picking up on the delta-t increments of PMR...

Possibly. Vibration is a metaphor for relative movement. Movement is a metaphor for change, and change is relative to both the individual consciousness and it's relationship to the unified LCS. Personally I don't see much merit or point in trying to quantify this in a pmr mathematical way and assigning numbers.

For me, it's enough to feel and intuit that one level, focus, area, or whatever is more expanded or less so than another. Time perception seems to be directly relative to that condition and/or the change of perspective/perception from one level to other(s).

One way to test or map out the levels of consciousness, even when conscious in the pmr, is simply by the experience of ones feeling state. Generally the more joy, peace, and connectedness (to life, others, etc) one feels, the more expanded the consciousness is. Those who only experience fleeting or brief states and feelings of the above, but who think they are greatly progressed along the path of improving the quality of consciousness, probably are deluding self.