Hello everybody. I was just watching Through The Wormhole (narrated by Morgan Freeman.) There was a guy on the show called Jurgen Schmidhuber. He says he wants to create an AI machine that is smarter than he and the rest of the world. He desires this because he wants the AI mind to formulate a TOE (actually, he wants the machine to find the shortest program that generates the universe.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VyFWXZRLQhg

Seems like a lot of trouble to go to. Might there be an easier way of acquiring this information, this program? How about if you access the Akashic records and glean the info from there? Be a short-cut, wouldn't it? I would like to see this attempted in the near future.

Ekuma,

The so called Akashic record is the record of what has transpired, has been actualized, here in this PMR. There are other PMRs and other such data bases of what has occurred therein as in being actualized therein. That kind of information record is 'internal' to the PMR to which it is associated although stored external to the actual PMR. The basis upon which that PMR is calculated exists outside of that PMR as The Big Computer, not within it nor within the record of what transpires within it. That information exists within the LCS, which also contains all of the PMRs and all of their actualized data bases.

No, I would not say they are likely to achieve what they think in this way. Not unless they can come up with a better TOE than Tom's MBT. Their thinking is locked with PMR as all there is while they need a 'bigger box' containing PMR within which to look to find what they seek.

Ted

I saw Mr. Schmidhuber on a youtube video of a panel discussion from the 2011 World Science Festival on digital physics.
It was a pretty cool discussion. Ed Fredkin is on the panel as well. But like Ted says, they ("digital physicists") don't account for the non physical. In the video Fredkin talks about 'other' being somewhere else but leaves it at that.

Here's the link: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKkiy24LqBQ

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"The doctrine that the world is made up of objects whose existence is independent of human consciousness turns out to be in conflict with quantum mechanics and with facts established by experiment."

Thanks for sharing link, but I've seen that video before. Very interesting though.

Maybe if somebody actually tried this experiment it just might work (you never know.) After all, the MBT is only a theory and might not even be close to the truth (no offence to Tom and others, it's just my opinion). :)

What experiment?It is preferable to provide sufficient information to understand references without having to watch all videos in the thread and read all posts again to understand.

Ted

Sorry Ted. What I meant was an experiment to determine if the higher knowledge phenomenon (akashic records, database, whatever you prefer to call it) is real. There's many projects going on in the world, but hardly any serious research is dedicated to metaphysical concepts.

One experiment I thought about was putting a volunteer into a hypnotic trance and guiding that person's sub-conscious mind to the 'database' and attempting to glean profound information like a TOE equation/shortest program, or another piece of useful data like cures for diseases or lotttery numbers (I've mentioned this before, I think.) I'm currently in touch and have been in touch with hypnotists in the past, but so far nobody is interested in testing this hypothesis.

I've thought about other ways of obtaining desired info, like lucid dreaming and OOBEs, but still I'm failing to inspire people and I don't know why. Could it be the LCS preventing me from getting through?

Why are you trying to talk these others into doing these experiments? Just to avoid doing the work yourself? These are the kind of things that an individual typically does for themselves. Learn to meditate and ask for information.

Are you familiar with Michael Newton, Ph. D., a hypnotherapist who did a lot of pioneering work on past, and between lives as in NPMR, hypnotic regression. He wrote several books and has some information of the type you are talking about, I believe. http://www.spiritualregression.org/ Keep in mind that these reports are subjective, as Tom explains, so when they live in a 'dorm' like setup and have classes in schoolrooms, or possibly in a classical Greek forum setting, this is not so much 'real' but the way that the experiencers described what they saw, how they interpreted it. This has been mentioned on the board before.

Ted

Ted, honestly, I do try experiments myself. I've tried to induce lucid dreaming, but I only manage very vivid dreams. I research every day and am in contact with other like-minded people. I test loads of hypotheses :) I'm trying to generate interest because I feel the more people I involve the greater the chance of success.

I also believe that too many people are putting their faith in the future, waiting around for a hypothetical 'technological singularity' to occur, and the Strong AIs this will bring. Many people believe that this singularity will answer the mysteries of the universe and solve all our problems. I actually think this is a big possibility. However, I personally believe that us (humanity and consciousness) can do it first! I kinda want us to beat the singularity. We're perfectly capable of doing it, I'm sure. It's just convincing people to take metaphysical notions seriously.

If you have any other questions, please don't hesitate to ask, Tom (and others!) And, thanks for the info and the link. I'll look into it.

Please edit your post. I am not Tom, I am Ted. There is a big difference.

The Psi Uncertainty Principle acts against what you are thinking of in terms of proof. There are many other ways to assist in getting humanity past what you refer to as a singularity which I have called a nexus and what Tom has on his latest video interview referred to as a tipping point. Ways that you can be involved in changing the paradigm of human society. There are actually a constant stream of things in many, if not most persons, lives which point out that this is a VR and that everything is based in Consciousness. If you pay attention, the LCS is likely to point out what you can personally best do to yourself contribute to appropriate change. It sounds like you are actively doing so. Continue to meditate and do not expect specific results. It takes time. Be open to what the LCS might be trying to point out to you. Look for the pointers.

Ted

Oops, sorry Ted, don't know why I did that. Edited the mistake, so all's fine again.

Thanks for the advice, Ted. I will keep going with my research, definitely. There has been times where I felt like giving up, but I will march on. Gonna try more intense meditation too. :)

It may be that this is closed mindedness, but any answer, from my limited, un-scholarly, un-AI-learned, perspective, to all questions as to wether AI can surpass us is: No.

Just, no. We, superior to AI, cannot create AI that is superior to us. The very name says it all: Artificial. It is inferior to our spirits. We contain possibilities that no machine could ever use, if this machine is independent, not a fusion of human+machine, which would be a way to better explore our potential.

Maybe.. but your 'spirit' or IUOC took a FWAU within this PMR in the *same fashion that another IUOC would take a FWAU within a PMR that we could simulate... And while of course we do not have a Conscious 'Sims' as of yet, it is not far away. See Moore's Law:(Wikipedia): "Moore's law is the observation that over the history of computing hardware, the number of transistors on integrated circuits doubles approximately every four years. The period often quoted as "18 months" is due to Intel executive David House, who predicted that period for a doubling in chip performance (being a combination of the effect of more transistors and their being faster).["

So it's exponential growth, and soon perhaps we will have "conscious" programs within computers, likely quantum computers. I think they would evolve to be as smart or smarter than us. Why not?
The only barrier would be 'creating' the computer that would be capable of "housing" something as complex as consciousness(Tom provides the description for that), and poof, there it is.
Maybe my description of a.i. is outside of the bounds of robots and therefore illegitimate to your point but I think it's maybe the more likely scenario for how we will witness 'intelligence' in our objective creations.

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"The doctrine that the world is made up of objects whose existence is independent of human consciousness turns out to be in conflict with quantum mechanics and with facts established by experiment."

Hi everyone, it's my first post here just to add my 2cents on this matter. (sry my english, not my mother lang)

It is perfectly possible to achieve a machine more intelligent than humans. I'm a computer engineer, and God knows how hard it is for us in this area to keep up the tech advance. Personally I think man is playing on thin ice when trying to implement AI... first comes the intelligence, then the "it would be nice that it could have feelings too" thing, and before you know it you end up with a schizophrenic super intelligent computer that never is going to achieve consciousnesses, but probably will get very quickly an artificial ego.

Some time ago I've crossed with this site that made me perplex:
http://2045.com/
I don't now if the 2045 Initiative will ever succeed, but I get really concern about the way men tries to reinvent himself. Actually, in general men does not know himself enough to reinvent himself. Ways of the ego perhaps?

Machines are tools... not pets, not friends, not wise, not saviors.

Love to all

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