Tom, if you are able to explore other "lab"-type realities, are you able to interact with beings in that reality just as they would if they were able to interact with us in PMR? It seems here in PMR, most interactions with other beings happens in NPMR while non-awake in PMR. Is this the case in other PMR-like realities that you have explored? Or do the rules of interactions in these types of realities prohibit interactions on a face-to-face physical level? All in all, I'd be kinda weirded-out if a being from another PMR-like reality just popped into existance here in PMR tried to interact with me. Or were your interactions with other beings limited to residents in non-lab type realities?

Hope that makes some sense...

TobyH: Tom, if you are able to explore other "lab"-type realities, are you able to interact with beings in that reality just as they would if they were able to interact with us in PMR?

Tom: Yes, I can interact with other beings in other PMRs either telepathically only (a voice in their head -- they may "hear" me like their intuition or their mind wandering -- like talking to themselves -- or sometimes clearly as a distinct voice -- or they may have no awareness of our conversations at all (if I am interacting with them outside of their awake intellectual level of awareness). How I am perceived depends on my intent and their level of personal awareness. I can also manifest a body there and join them as a local. Anything that I can do there, they can do here -- IF they knew how. Very, very few beings in any reality, with a few exceptions, have evolved their consciousness enough and their control of it enough to know how. So, it doesn't happen that often -- if it did, a stronger set of permissions would probably evolve and be required. Inter reality frame Interference or meddling is actively discouraged. Certainly, it is important that I use discretion when manifesting a body elsewhere -- one can't just pop up in the middle of a crowd -- psi uncertainty still rules in most of these places. Because being a stranger can create all sorts of problems, most of the time simply being a disembodied observer is the best way to go -- and therefore the most used.

TobyH: It seems here in PMR, most interactions with other beings happens in NPMR while non-awake in PMR. Is this the case in other PMR-like realities that you have explored?

Tom: Yes, that is the normal case. However, even the various NPMR frames do not overlap that much unless some active intent purposely makes the trip

TobyH: Or do the rules of interactions in these types of realities prohibit interactions on a face-to-face physical level?

Tom: The rules do not actually prohibit all such interaction, but they do limit interactions to being nonintrusive for the most part. Sort of by invitation only or by permission given on a case by case basis. Some stirring of the pot type interactions are allowed just because of the mind opening opportunity it creates. Sometimes the rules are broken -- but generally not flagrantly or often -- there are always exceptions but they exist only in the margins.

It is extremely unlikely that some entity will just materialize out of thin air beside you. But if it does, strike up a friendly conversation and see what you can learn. No fear.

Tom C

This is a very interesting bit of information, Tom. How many gods have been seen via such interactions, how many ghosts, how many demons?

Tom:
It is extremely unlikely that some entity will just materialize out of thin air beside you. But if it does, strike up a friendly conversation and see what you can learn. No fear.
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I've had some very interesting experiences here in this house I'm in (we moved in it new, 1996, so it hasn't a history). I've actually had one entity walk in the front door, walk down the hall, conduct some business in a room, and walk out the back door. These doors were locked. But most of the incidients have involved by two daughters, i.e., visitors night & day, psychic connections with siblings across states, lights going on and off, even an object raised and tossed once. My oldest daughter moved to Dallas recently. She told me the other day on the phone that she was riding home one evening and suddenly a head appeared in front of the car's dash, just above the gear shift lever. It looked at her, then looked around like it was wondering where the hell it was, and disappeared again after several more seconds. She had a little girl riding in the back seat, so she was wondering whether she was the only one that saw it. Quickly the little girl said, "Did you see that?" This same daughter was in a hotel in downtown Savannah a couple of years ago. She awoke c. 0400 that night to find a woman dressed in a maid's uniform (old style) standing at the foot of the bed looking quite displeased with the fact that she'd been seen. She awoke the person next to her and the maid vanished. We hear voices at night, conversations, the girls used to awaken at night and someone was standing in the room, watching them sleep. Too many things to mention here.

I don't know if most of this is people in NPMR that are still in earth's plane. But the head appearing in my daughter's car seems, possibly, like something different. I was reminded of it by your post above.

Roland: This is a very interesting bit of information, Tom. How many gods have been seen via such interactions, how many ghosts, how many demons?

Tom: Yes -- and how many ETs and space aliens as well.

Some people are naturals with easy connections to NPMR that drift in and out. These people tend to have interesting (bizarre) experienced off and on. Some are disturbed by it while others just take it in stride.

Tom

Tom: Yes -- and how many ETs and space aliens as well.

Some people are naturals with easy connections to NPMR that drift in and out. These people tend to have interesting (bizarre) experienced off and on. Some are disturbed by it while others just take it in stride.
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I think my daughters have grown accustomed to their experiences, with my educating them.

Regarding aliens, I heard an interview recently with someone who was claiming alien contacts for two decades. As he was describing his experiences, I heard classic OBE and NPMR descriptions. He claimed the aliens gave him psychic assistance with many things in his life. He claimed that his sense was that they were experiencing PMR through him, that there is something they are after that requires PMR interaction. On one hand most of his claims seemed legit descriptions, although they also seemed to violate the rules you've described. It was hard to tell if he was on the level.

It was very interesting mainly because, if true, it was demonstrating unrecongnised phenomena in the interactions between PMR and NPMR.

Roland,

Yes, it does appear to be a classic NPMR connection -- doesn't sound like there were any serious rules violations. People who have these experiences are, whether they are aware of it or not, open to such contacts. Like having a land line telephone in your home makes you open to telemarketing calls. It is this innate "openness" that makes them "naturals" (appropriate altered states of consciousness are easily accessible without any special effort required). Because most of these "naturals" don't know what they are doing and have no mental discipline or understanding of the bigger picture, they get a random grab-bag of experience as portions of their awareness drift in and out of NPMR like a rudderless boat wandering about in a sea full of swimmers as well as various other watercraft. Sometimes a boat attracts swimmers or even other boats - for whatever reasons. With so many life-forms wandering about doing their own thing according to their own free will, almost anything is possible in the margins.

These entities who were his "alien friends" did not appear to be intrusive (attempt force things on him against his will) but rather just worked with him. My guess is that they were from a reality frame that did not have a suitable PMR VR readily accessible -- or in a situation where they were not yet ready to enter a PMR experience packet. So they slipped out the back and surreptitiously shared this fella's experience vicariously. Not a common happening -- but probably not all that rare or surprising either. Lots of unusual things happen in the margins. If no one is being hurt and overall system functioning is not perturbed (such activity stays in the margins) then the larger system is pretty tolerant.

Tom C

For the record, here is the interview link: http://www.earthfiles333.com/
See: Episode 2 - Attorney Encounters Non-Human Entities

According Linda Howe, there are many themes in his experiences that she's found common amoung "contactees". Therefore, if this is some form of natural NPMR openness, perhaps it is a repeating pattern such as in the repeating patterns of personality types. All by design, I assume.

Regarding UFOs/Aliens, in general, I have read and heard, encounter after encouter, where interdimensional aspects seem present, i.e., people floating in the air and through the wall, UFOs suddenly blinking into PMR and out again. Even some remote viewers have picked up on UFO's interdimensional qualities. What seems so strange is that they appear to be interacting with PMR, i.e., obtaining things like water from a lake, or putting implants into humans. Although, I will say that the above interview makes a very interesting point, in that the psychic worked with the attorney to remove the implants psychically, and they are referred to as interdimensional devices. Again, this is interesting because of the way that it illustrates the rules and phenomena associated with different VRs.

That said, I am accutely aware that certain gov. programs are hard at work to pollute the information pool of UFO data with disinformation, so one can't tell what one is dealing with in a radio interview, which is the point of the disinfo pgms.

Roland: Regarding UFOs/Aliens, in general, I have read and heard, encounter after encouter, where interdimensional aspects seem present, i.e., people floating in the air and through the wall, UFOs suddenly blinking into PMR and out again.

I can testify to the truth of this phenomona, I experienced contact with Aliens /interdimensinal beings
in in a hotel bedroom many years ago.I would have doubted the experience(Not the fear it generated though,that was too real) but for the fact it was corraborated by a boyfriend that witnessed the incident who was by all accounts a "mans man" and not given to belief in physic phenomona.
They did as you say blink out of PMR when said boyfriend disturbed them from trying to "Get inside" my head...?
I would actually welcome the experience now(I think!) given that Tom has explained so much and I would be able to view the experience as an opportunity to learn.

Regards,
cherie

Roland,
Remember, the "Probes' and "implants" and surgery on a table, etc, are simply metaphors, not physical devices -- no matter what the individual believes. It is how people translate or interpret what they are experiencing into language and thus coherent thoughts. These are not objective experiences even though they do appear that way to the experiencer. They are subjective -- an inadvertent, unknowing smearing of reality frames -- and the interpretations used to express the experience are as much a part of the experiencer as they are of the experience itself.

Cherie,
good idea - next time start up a conversation. It is OK to remain wary and vigilant - just not frightened or fearful. You must feel yourself to be in charge. Something fun, interesting, and educational might just happen. You can always end it, if you have no fear, simply by intending to end it. If you have fear that ties you to the experience, then you cannot let go of the experience until it is done with you - or until you can let the fear go.


Tom C

When I went to the Monroe Institute in 2002 for the Gateway Voyage I had an interesting experience in an otherwise uneventful week. The first few days were great, I was getting a lot out of the tape sessions, but after the second day I couldn't stay awake during any session (which was the uneventful part).

In the middle of the night halfway through the week I woke up and say floating balls of light in my CHEC unit (CHEC unit is where you sleep). I was surprisingly curious about the happening and fear was absent. I just watched them for a bit and then went back to sleep.

I was talking to one of the trainers, Penny (Bob Monroe's step-daughter), at the end of the week and she mentioned seeing balls of light follow her while being wide awake and walking around. I don't remember if she brought it up or if I told her about my experience.

Probes and implants are a common description during shamanistic practices, especially when using psychoactive substances like DMT and ayahuasca (the shamanic DMT brew).

Some books, if you are interested.

Rick Strassman's "DMT: The Spirit Molecule" (http://www.amazon.com/DMT-Molecule-Revo ... 892819278/)

Graham Hancock's "Supernatural" (http://www.amazon.com/Supernatural-Meet ... 932857842/)

Daniel Pinchbeck's "Breaking Open The Head" (http://www.amazon.com/Breaking-Open-Hea ... 767907434/)

I don't use any psychoactive substances but I do enjoy reading about them and their effects. Remember what Tom said recently, these substances don't lower entropy, you gotta do that yourself.

Hi Josh,
Have you read any Stansilav Grof?

Yes, I have a lot of his books. One book I really liked in that same vein was a person that used Holotropic Breathing as his main "spiritual" practice and wrote a book about it, with Grof writing the foreword.

Christopher M. Bache - "Dark Night, Early Dawn" (http://www.amazon.com/Dark-Night-Early- ... 791446069/)

What intrigued at the time me was that he had a chapter dedicated to integrating his experiences with Monroe's experiences. He bridged a mental gap very well, though now that I have read MBT I don't know what to think.

Bache's theory was that these Holotropic Breathwork sessions gave the person slightly more to deal with than would normally come up in day to day activities, thus giving an opportunity for growth. He also mentions that his daily meditation practice was the anchor that held everything together.

Tom:
Remember, the "Probes' and "implants" and surgery on a table, etc, are simply metaphors, not physical devices -- no matter what the individual believes. It is how people translate or interpret what they are experiencing into language and thus coherent thoughts. These are not objective experiences even though they do appear that way to the experiencer. They are subjective -- an inadvertent, unknowing smearing of reality frames -- and the interpretations used to express the experience are as much a part of the experiencer as they are of the experience itself.
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After reading here in the forum, I'd concluded that this was likely the case. Being that it's all VR domains, what else could it be? This seems to be telling us a lot, in the sense that the individual is creating the images, e.g., the medical exam, the implants, etc. From where do these images, or metaphors originate?

I'm reminded of Jung's work in interpretation of dreams and symbols; their universality and their similarities across all cultures. Is this a universal language of consciousness? What is the UFO sybolism, in general?

And as far as symbols and images go, it seems that traditional cultures, ancient cultures, and primitive cultures have held onto this knowledge, whereas the modern West has lost the knowledge. If universal symbols exist and have consistent meanings in consciousness, then the loss would seem more severe for Western culture.
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I'm familiar with Pincheck, Strassman and Groff. Psychotropic substances are an interesting topic. But it does seem that puritannical taboos require a mantra for each and every time the subject is breached. Puritannical tyranny is every bit as disturbed, psychologically, as any drug related issues.

What's curious, to me, is how a psychotropic substance induces the occurance of altered state phenomena. I mean, what seems to be happening is an the altering of reality as it's created by the VRRE. What are the mechanics of that?

Roland,

The images of probes and surgeries are metaphors describing how the experiencer felt about the contact/interchange/communication -- i.e., fearful, weenie and helpless and thus threatened -- that the other party wanted something and was in control.

UFO's are the rationalization of the NPMR contact experience. In the Jungian sense?... I have no idea .. Perhaps both fascination and fear of the unknown.

Our intent and awareness leads, the VRRE follows. If a drug opens awareness with a confused goofy, and perhaps disoriented, lost or fearful intent behind the wheel, you get an ordinary meaningless drug induced trip. If your intent is controlled and focused sufficiently to make use of the trip, you don't need the drug to take the trip. And you wouldn't use the drug to take the trip because the awareness that a drug opens up is narrowly focused, driven, and uncontrollable. Little value.

Tom C


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