omcasey,

A long time ago, I experienced much of what you describe. Beings probing my "etheric body", examining, checking, "doing stuff", quasi-medical setting, I was told it would help me advance, etc. I too cooperated at first. One day, after being "summoned" I had to wait a few minutes because they were busy with someone else. while waiting, I took the time to penetrate the minds and feelings of those who were doing whatever they were doing to/for me. It was easy to do then, but difficult to do while "on the table". The result wasn't what I expected (something was fishy -- there were ulterior motives other than those disclosed). The process was not mostly about helping me, though that seemingly had occurred as a result. As I evaluated the help I had received, it turned out to be things that I could have and would have done on my own anyway. I felt that my mind was being manipulated (suggestions and attitudes being implanted). Nothing terrible or particularly evil, but more the way that parents, schools, and professionals manipulate young children to be more pliant and trusting as well as less critical. I didn’t like the feel of it (deception) and cut off all relationship with these beings. They tried to pull me back with grander claims of things to come and when that failed with warnings of penalties to pay but I no longer trusted them to be honest. I cut them off permanently. At first, I wondered if that was a mistake but soon realized that that attitude was being placed in my mind. Ending the relationship was the right thing to do and I held firm in my resolve.

Eventually, I came to see the whole thing as an elaborate teaching tool – a test given me by the LCS. [From my perspective, every interaction constitutes a learning opportunity]. I was put into this somewhat unusual if not dubious circumstance and promised personal gain (advancement) in exchange for my cooperation in a harmless endeavor. However that cooperation seemed to be continuously getting me deeper (more committed) into something I didn’t really understand -- that by itself was a problem. The attraction pandered to my ego (a short cut to advancement), and then to my fear (warnings and penalties and dire consequences of breaking off the relationship). The key problems that developed were violated trust (all was not above board -- other agendas kept from me were the main motivation for our relationship) and that attitudes and feelings were being nudged into my mind – i.e., I was losing my integrity – being subtly controlled -- though only within the context of this relationship with “them”. My job (learning opportunity within in this test or “standardized learning tool”) was to realize I was slowly and subtly selling my integrity for personal gain and then to have the strength and courage to permanently break it off (against their best efforts to pull me back in) as soon as I realized there were problems. It seems that most people do not pass this particular test – it is a difficult scenario to see through -- and then stand up to a persistent authority.

By answering your question, I may have ruined this particular learning opportunity by allowing you to apply a solution from the intellectual level, rather than from the being level where it counts -- but, in this instance, that outcome was decided to result in a better overall long term result for you. (that is why you were sent here with that question). They (the LCS) will find another way to offer the same learning opportunity (test) – and you will be more prepared (more likely to succeed) having gone through and understood this one.

Tom

Hello, Tom..

I know you are busy, so, first, thank you for making the time to come through here, I appreciate your reply. (alot!)

It is good for me to hear you have experience with this. I am not feeling you ruined anything for me by sharing your experience and where you took it, I would not effectively be able to apply your discovery to my experience, we are not necessarily experiencing the same set of specifics, or receiving the same test --right?.. Your experience has elements linked with you and your particular evolution, mine has those linked with me and mine. So there would be no benefit in me attempting this.

To boot, I don't even know what my details are yet, what my [full] interpretation of the tactile sensations I am experiencing are. That's sort of why I feel I have to 'open my eyes' and get the visual data. Moreso than the specific detail(s) of our experiences, I feel I am helped by the opportunity to see the path you took through them to clear fear. And in this case, remain in your integrity. May I ask?, did the beings in your experience appear non-human when you were "on the table". If so, did you do well with this from the start? Were you always able to receive the visual data? With me, this does seem to be in part the test. To-date, fear has not let me do it. I seem close.

It may or may not be the exact same test -- some are standardized down to the smallest detail, some are only generally standardized, and most are individual.

I had no trouble with visuals from the start -- they were humanoid but not human. And yes, where I was taken could easily be interpreted as a spaceship sort of structure. But that was a long time ago before I understood that visuals always represent your own interpretation -- metaphors overlaid upon the data you receive. "visual" data may (the metaphor is given to you, i.e., "visual" imagery suitable to their purpose is provided by the sender) or may not (you supply the metaphor entirely) be delivered in the data stream for you to interpret.

In cases where specific visual imagery is provided it is generally because the sender wishes to create a given effect or connection in your mind/emotions/beliefs/fear. In other words you are being set up (manipulated) to have a specific experience/reaction by those who know you and your experience base well enough to effectively set you up. This is often the case with both tests and dreams -- and assorted other NPMR encounters.

NPMR is not a 3D spatial reality. There are no fundamental or objective spatial shapes or forms or physical senses to see or hear with other than those imagined/interpreted by a limited, rule-set constrained FWAU consciousness. In fact, experiences where one is dropped into a "given scenario" situation that roughly resembles PMR reality structures you are familiar with (easy for you to relate to and understand the primary elements no matter how strange, other worldly, or bizarrely they are presented), and in which you must interact and respond, is a hall mark of a LCS manufactured test/lesson whether you get to it from a dream, or OOBE, meditation, or some other way.

Given all that... there are no hard and fast rules. It is what you make of it. What you do not make of it, is not part of your reality. reality is fundamentally individual and personal, though some parts of it (mostly fragments of the virtual environment -- e.g., rocks trees, weather, bodies, space ships, tables, rain) can be shared among players within a common experiential game (reality frame).

Tom

Tom,

Thank you, I am with you on all of this.. Notably the part where you say "It is what you make of it. What you do not make of it, is not part of your reality." So curious about what I am creating. What opportunities are being created through my experiences of this. I am certainly all for testing elements that help bring me and other FWAUs deeper into their own sovereignty, the question left lingering, the one that is always left lingering.. is whether my experiences are with other FWAUs, or whether they are purely simulated. Do you have a percept on that? Is there a test I can make? In events of the latter, do you ever shift into an experience with those behind the simulation? I do..., which is why I ask, this is the only way I have ever been able to note a purely simulated experience.


Casey

Casey: "the question left lingering...is whether my experiences are with other FWAUs, or whether they are purely simulated."

Tom: Everything you see, hear, smell, touch and feel in NPMR is an interpretation of data sent by consciousness -- the only question is who and why. Except to the ego, it matters not. Because what you must do in response to that data stream is the same regardless of the source. Your job is to interact or deal with whatever data comes your way and through your free will choices evolve the quality of your consciousness -- learn and grow, express yourself as love. Every source provides a challenge, an opportunity to evolve both yourself and the LCS.

Trying to make better choices by using your ego-intellect to game the system (try to figure out the right answer) instead of just interacting directly from the being-level is counterproductive. Acting right in lieu of being right sets you up for problems. In other words, trying to specify the source (the who and why of the source sending the data stream to you) -- e.g., good guy, bad guy, tricky guy, evil guy, user, manipulator, helper, enemy, friend, etc. -- so that you can respond accordingly is counterproductive. Yes, it is a strategy we all use here in PMR. It doesn’t work very well in PMR either but it works much better in PMR, with its tight buttoned down rule-set, than it does in NPMR where there is an order of magnitude more hidden variables. You will never have enough information to know for sure who and why because you can always be tricked by those who know more than you do. The correct approach is not to depend on a "clever" ego-intellect to help you pretend that you are more competent and grown than you are, but rather to get rid of all your fear and ego and then just be yourself -- have the courage to let your choices honestly and directly reflect the knowledge and quality of you at the being level. Then pay attention to the feedback and make adjustments to who you are at the being level as you go (i.e., off-load any new found beliefs, fear, or ego -- i.e., pull yourself up by your bootstraps).

All experiential realities are virtual realities -- simulated realities with rule sets. The reality with the table and examiners, the dream reality, the reality in which you wake up after dying in PMR, and PMR itself, are all virtual realities. Only consciousness itself is fundamental.

Tom

Tom,

Yes I agree, and am clear except in two areas..

I am not sure how to word this in your terms, I do not seem to have done well with my first choice of phrasing. Let me ask this way.. Here in this PMR I am a FWAU, in experience with other FWAUs. In the experiences I am having, described in the original post, am I also in a PMR [with or without a different rule set], in experience with other FWAUs? And.... in the time between my last experience and the next, is there value in me trying to see what my fears are? This is in great part what I am trying to identify. But if you tell me your experience leads you to feel there is none, I will see very good cause to set this down.


Casey

Casey: "is there value in me trying to see what my fears are? This is in great part what I am trying to identify."

Tom: There is always value in trying to determine what your fears are if your intent is to get rid of the fear once it is discovered. Fear blocks your evolution to a higher quality consciousness and thus should be hunted down and eliminated.

Casey: "Here in this PMR I am a FWAU, in experience with other FWAUs. In the experiences I am having, described in the original post, am I also in a PMR [with or without a different rule set], in experience with other FWAUs? "

Tom: In our local PMR where this forum resides, you are interacting with a large mix of individuals -- each of which is very likely on its own independent evolutionary path making choices by exercising its own independent freewill. In the experiences you are having in NPMR or in this other PMR you have described, or wherever, the situation described above (mix of independent individuals) is, in my judgment, possible, but very unlikely.

It is more likely that it is just one individual FWAU (the LCS can implement an FWAU and interact within any reality frame) playing all parts (other than your part) so as to create a challenging learning opportunity just for you. Think of this most probable possibility as a dialog between you and your teacher wherein the two of you are together acting out an often used canned drama called "ET examiners" designed to provide you with interesting learning choices and which takes place in its own little PMR-like reality frame. A frame created just for this game, just for you and your teacher. You play yourself and your teacher plays all the other characters in the drama. Though your teacher has free will, he is just following the tried and true "ET examiners" teaching-tool script for the most part and adlibbing here and there within the context of the script as necessary. However, you are not told that this is just a learning game because such intellectual knowledge on your part would likely make your choices somewhat intellectually driven instead of straight from the being level (which is what is necessary to support personal growth). You must believe the game is real for it to be effective. So the game is presented to you in such a way that you think it is real. To succeed, You must deal with the situation, discover the fear, and then face it by making the appropriate choices -- and you must do all this from the being level or you won't learn/grow much.

So, yes, by all means, identify the fear and make the appropriate choices. Otherwise you might be stuck in this game for a long time. You have already passed stage 1 (not freaking out and descending into a vortex of fear because of the nature and character of the examinations.). In part 2 you are supposed to find the rat in the woodpile (discover the fear). In part 3 you deal with it successfully (with courage and determination) – thereafter you will have no need to return – game over, experience gained, lessons learned.

Tom

Very good, thank you, now I am clear you are not linking fear finding to intellectual pursuit.

And to be sure, let me check -you are saying that, most likely, what you are calling my teacher is an LCS generated interface (generated strictly for this lesson?), rather than an IUOC or FWAU currently in PMR, is this right? Still lacking full comprehension on this one. And then, also, what if it is the unlikely, a mix of independent individuals? Do you have experience with this? I have many different types of contact experiences, and am one of those people who experience alot of body phenomena, day and night, referred to by other groups as the kundalini. I have tended to lump all of my experiences together in a pile I could label 'connecting with my Inner team'. But this experience, the EBEs [etheric body examinations], I just don't know, it is the one that really rattles me. Less and less, though, I have calmed significantly. Just not enough yet to 'open my eyes' during one of them.

Casey

Casey: And to be sure, let me check -you are saying that, most likely, what you are calling my teacher is an LCS generated interface (generated strictly for this lesson?), rather than an IUOC or FWAU currently in PMR, is this right?

Tom: That is correct -- the larger consciousness system trying to create a productive learning situation for you. Sometimes, these are called "tests".

Yes, one can interact with individuals, but typically these are more informal, extemporaneous and fluid, and not so highly structured, context driven, or process focused like Tests and dreams (dreams are often tests).

Although the overall experience can be similar, kundalini is something else all together. The focus is not so much on individual interaction or context, scenario, and structure, but rather modifying your FWAU (a metaphor) to be able to accept and deal with a larger awareness. Actual Kundalini work, especially with knowledgeable and competent NPMR beings leading the process, should not take long or need to be protracted or repetitive.

You may have several independent and quite different things going on and are lumping then all into one basket.

You probably need to screw up your courage and open your eyes (metaphor for see the truth) and then deal with it successfully.

Tom

Yes this goes right to it.

A larger awareness does not fit into the current body system, it too has to be adapted, and inevitably begin to evidence the larger awareness. I say this having been experiencing the process for the past 3 years. Do you see why I am inclined to throw the EBEs in here? I suspect they are one of the many ways I perceive the modifications taking place. I am taken into various of the layers to witness this. It is only in this particular layer [very close to the physical] that I experience fear. You are right, of course, the bottom line is I need to gather my courage and get on with this. Momentum is building, thanks to you, Ted, and others here.

Being brought in to communicate with those performing the modifications are among my favorite experiences, but I typically do not bring the details of our talks back through with me. I am with you, that the work these one's are doing likely does not take them very long, it is more that my experience of it, in OBEs and regular everyday life is ongoing. Remember the actual shifts and changes have to happen through me and I want to be conscious of as much as possible. This opportunity may not come again for some time.


Are you moving through this process too, Tom? (do you get the body stuff?)

Casey

Casey,

The initiating, raising up, directing, and guiding of the kundalini process was ordered up or brought to me by those who were developing and guiding my potential in this experience packet and was facilitated by two NPMR beings (specialists sent for just this purpose). I went through that entire process when I was 7 years old. It was intense, to say the least, but lasted less than an hour of PMR time. Though my physical body was 7, I was a young adult in NPMR (roughly equivalent to a 25 to 30 year old range in PMR) and was fully aware and engaged throughout the entire process.

Tom

Tom,

I suspected.

At 7 years old you may not have noticed the shifts and changes, not enough previous physical body experience to compare things to. Or did you?, were you symptomatic from this point and for some time. Do you recall? Or were you one of the ones who came in with the new system pretty much in place. I am not certain about this, but based on my experiences and the way I interpret them I suspect the vast majority of 'abduction' type events are fundamentally NPMR beings readying PMR systems for change. My central nervous system went into shock when I first became conscious of NPMR, and of these events, so I understand what can happen in such instances and until the shock wears off. Which in my case took two years. There are many conscious-mind fear created scenarios to disentangle. Mine as well as many others. Could the tests you mention be given for this reason?


Casey

Casey: At 7 years old you may not have noticed the shifts and changes, not enough previous physical body experience to compare things to. Or did you?,

Tom: Yes I did, though I was 7, my perspective on NPMR associated matters, was adult even in PMR. My kundalini experience came at the end of a long training period where my abilities, sensitivities, reflexes, and judgment within NPMR were honed and made ready for the future when I would need them. It was mostly a matter of quickly getting back up to speed in this experience packet and learning a few more skills that I would likely need.

Casey: were you symptomatic from this point and for some time. Do you recall? Or were you one of the ones who came in with the new system pretty much in place.

Tom: I recall clearly: All physical symptoms disappeared in less than a day. Awareness was forever altered but soon enough I was just me.

Casey: I am not certain about this, but based on my experiences and the way I interpret them I suspect the vast majority of 'abduction' type events are fundamentally NPMR beings readying PMR systems for change.

Tom: I agree with your statement but not with what you mean by it. I agree that it is a fear test, the purpose of which is to help people grow up (change). It would appear that most flunk that test and ratchet up their fear instead. I also think that it can expand one's thinking to allow for a reality greater that the physical (much as OOBE or lucid drreams or remote viewing can) – i.e., another opportunity for positive change. But most seem to miss grasping that opportunity and explain their experience as entirely contained within the PMR Universe (ETs from elsewhere in our PMR universe). At least they see reality as larger than most people think.

Why provide a test and opportunity if most fail to make good use of them? Because it sets these people up to get it quickly when they finally understand the nature of reality and it entices many millions who never have such an experience to see and accept mystery and unknowns within our reality as possible, thus making them also able to quickly get it when a good explanation of the larger reality comes their way. So, I agree, the population is being primed for change. Also the ET fear is rather safe since it has no " physical enemy" at hand that can be subjugated, maimed, jailed or killed -- only a lot of words and excited rhetoric. It also can be used as a "source" metaphor for passing information to PMR individuals from NPMR individuals with intents that may be good or not good.

However, I do not think that the probing and tampering with etheric (or as some believe, physical) bodies that appears to go on in these experiences is accomplishing anything more that setting up the scenario or conditions of the test/opportunity. The physical body is virtual, the etheric body and the FWAU are metaphors. Only consciousness is real and fundamental. The FAU, a subset of a subset (IUOC) of the larger consciousness (LCS), is a metaphor that represents an individual interface to the LCS. That raising the kundalini modifies a virtual body (etheric or physical), thus allowing more awareness, is also a metaphor. Bodies, physical or etheric, or auras around bodies, or chakras, do not exist except as data in a data stream, that is as interpreted metaphors – that is the nature of a virtual reality. They are very handy and very necessary metaphors that enable communication in PMR language about kundalini and many other important concepts. Kundalini is a metaphor that represents the more or less sudden improvement or upgrade in the functionality of that individual interface with the LCS -- A condition that must be earned. Like a college degree, one can work on it a long time, but once you have earned it, the actual process of handing out the degree is relatively quick. Kundalini and a college degree are the end result of a long process, not given piecemeal throughout the process itself. Acquiring Kundalini without earning it is usually a problem (sometimes a disaster) for the individual who has gotten the cart in front of the horse. it is not a partial benefit.

Casey: I suspect the vast majority of 'abduction' type events are fundamentally NPMR beings readying PMR systems for change. My central nervous system went into shock when I first became conscious of NPMR, and of these events, so I understand what can happen in such instances and until the shock wears off. Which in my case took two years. There are many conscious-mind fear created scenarios to disentangle. Mine as well as many others. Could the tests you mention be given for this reason?

Tom: Indeed, that is usually the point; an opportunity to overcome fear... to make good long term entropy lowering choices and to do so fearlessly (without ego or expectation). Getting rid of fear is step one since it is required for getting rid of ego, expectation and beliefs. Thus, initially, tests are almost exclusively about getting rid of fear. Once the fear is gone, the rest is relatively easy.

Tom

Tom,

It’s like you know right where I want to go.

The fundamental reality is one thing (yes), and from my perspective is just as you have stated it -- Consciousness. I understand the importance of grasping this, along with the associated ideas of data, metaphor, virtual.. And I can, I can intellectually grasp all you are saying, I am close enough for this, yet I cannot know it in this moment beyond my current experience.

The experience of Consciousness, as it exists within each of the subsets could be said to have it’s own relative fundamental reality. When speaking from this - the experience - as it more actually is for the IUOCs and FWAUs within the subsets, who are growing from a precise and unique set of parameters the ‘fundamental’ can sound a bit different. I understand what follows here is in good part relative to the growth space within this subset, but in regard to it I have a question.

I see, quite literally with my [awareness through my] physical eyes that visual reality is virtual. That it is created. Visual reality is very closely associated with BODY, it is outline, form and color that gets predominantly seen in our subset. The first upgrade I experienced was to my vision. With it I began to see the elemental particles that compose space, and matter as we know it. My vision can zoom in and zoom out of space, like a telescope and microscope. So I can see the particles that are used to compose our bodies. And I can get pulled into them. I am discovering I can get pulled into almost anything. I know now, for myself, these guys are conscious. There is a beingness to them. They are another subset of Consciousness.

This makes sense, because if Consciousness is fundamental, and therefore all there really is, then Consciousness is all there is to create from. Consciousness is all there is of anything.. even what we call the body. But my experience is limited. What experience if any do you have with elemental particles, how do you see them and how does your big t.o.e address them?





I do agree.

But are you saying the rate of the handing out and the rate of experiencing the receiving [within this subset] are equal?


Casey

Casey,

All that you experience is (all experiential realities are) virtual -- data, information. You interpret this data with symbol and metaphor in terms of your present personal PMR experience/knowledge base. Thus, what you "see" is limited by who you are and what you know. Your intent queries the database. Zooming your awareness (in this discussion limited to vision) in and out (microscope to telescope) from subatomic particles to the surface detail on some planet a million light years away is nothing more than focusing your intent on the information you want, i.e., where you want to go or what you want to see) and then interpreting the data you get back from your query. The affect is that you are there among whatever it was you intended to see and you can probe further to whatever depth and extent you wish -- to the depth and extent that your limitations can make sense (useful information) out of what you see. Once past that point, you are just drifting among images that you do not understand, that you cannot convert into useful knowledge (constructively build on what you already know).

One sees auras, future probabilities, health conditions and remote views in exactly the same way – your focused intent gathers data and you interpret that data. Because you had an intent to see inside of matter, to see the foundation, the stuff behind the stuff, what is at the root, you got data on atomic and subatomic structures. You interpreted that data to the extent that you could. An error that many make is that once they reach their personal limitations on meaningful interpretation of the data, they just continue on with their imagination. A seasoned investigator/explorer realizes that step 2 (after learning to focus one's intent to get the data desired) is to become aware of their own limitations.

My analogy: the process of delivering a diploma to the students who have spent years earning one takes only a few days (Graduation immediately follows final exams) and, likewise, going through the kundalini process takes only a short time (maybe a few days, maybe a half hour) although the process to earn that particular upgrade to the individual-LCS interface may take a long time. Another analogy: you may prepare for years to receive a kidney transplant but it only takes a few hours to do the operation. That kidney cannot be transplanted a cubic centimeter at a time over several years.

One day it happens, the next day it is over, the change may or may not be a big deal for a very short time, then you quickly absorb the permanent change and go on with the rest of your life. The only thing that is drawn out is what leads up to the final diploma, transplant, or kundalini process/event. The event itself does not last long and there are no lingering "symptoms" associated before or after the event, only a permanent change in state that quickly becomes "normal".

Tom