twcjr wrote:
omcasey,
A long time ago, I experienced much of what you describe. Beings probing my "etheric body", examining, checking, "doing stuff", quasi-medical setting, I was told it would help me advance, etc. I too cooperated at first. One day, after being "summoned" I had to wait a few minutes because they were busy with someone else. while waiting, I took the time to penetrate the minds and feelings of those who were doing whatever they were doing to/for me. It was easy to do then, but difficult to do while "on the table". The result wasn't what I expected (something was fishy -- there were ulterior motives other than those disclosed). The process was not mostly about helping me, though that seemingly had occurred as a result. As I evaluated the help I had received, it turned out to be things that I could have and would have done on my own anyway. I felt that my mind was being manipulated (suggestions and attitudes being implanted). Nothing terrible or particularly evil, but more the way that parents, schools, and professionals manipulate young children to be more pliant and trusting as well as less critical. I didn’t like the feel of it (deception) and cut off all relationship with these beings. They tried to pull me back with grander claims of things to come and when that failed with warnings of penalties to pay but I no longer trusted them to be honest. I cut them off permanently. At first, I wondered if that was a mistake but soon realized that that attitude was being placed in my mind. Ending the relationship was the right thing to do and I held firm in my resolve.
Eventually, I came to see the whole thing as an elaborate teaching tool – a test given me by the LCS. [From my perspective, every interaction constitutes a learning opportunity]. I was put into this somewhat unusual if not dubious circumstance and promised personal gain (advancement) in exchange for my cooperation in a harmless endeavor. However that cooperation seemed to be continuously getting me deeper (more committed) into something I didn’t really understand -- that by itself was a problem. The attraction pandered to my ego (a short cut to advancement), and then to my fear (warnings and penalties and dire consequences of breaking off the relationship). The key problems that developed were violated trust (all was not above board -- other agendas kept from me were the main motivation for our relationship) and that attitudes and feelings were being nudged into my mind – i.e., I was losing my integrity – being subtly controlled -- though only within the context of this relationship with “them”. My job (learning opportunity within in this test or “standardized learning tool”) was to realize I was slowly and subtly selling my integrity for personal gain and then to have the strength and courage to permanently break it off (against their best efforts to pull me back in) as soon as I realized there were problems. It seems that most people do not pass this particular test – it is a difficult scenario to see through -- and then stand up to a persistent authority.
By answering your question, I may have ruined this particular learning opportunity by allowing you to apply a solution from the intellectual level, rather than from the being level where it counts -- but, in this instance, that outcome was decided to result in a better overall long term result for you. (that is why you were sent here with that question). They (the LCS) will find another way to offer the same learning opportunity (test) – and you will be more prepared (more likely to succeed) having gone through and understood this one.
Tom
Thanks for sharing that Tom!
It immediately draws to mind two sets of ponderables. I wanted to let this discussion as it was take its course before I brought them up.
The first involves the notion that 'being' (in any particular realm) involves making what appears to be a style-choice: at one end of the spectrum is extreme individualism, as like a mountain-man or trapper 200 years ago in the US territories, or a wild cat, say, in which the being is without any sort of need of its kind: it functions, lives and carries out its purposes in its eco-system independently. At the other extreme end of the spectrum would be an almost borg-like existence and the being is inextricably expressed within the bounds of a larger entity of some sort ... a sort of communist existence, as like a soldier or a priest. One's agency is enormously amplified and yet restricted. Here I recalled Jaun Matus' advice to Carlos when Carlos was presented with the opportunity to join his being, (presumably to still be a separate object of its own, albeit an object of a larger system that will have its own agenda) .... here to an 'inorganic being'. Here he would be safe and learn all sorts of fascinating things, acquire all sorts of wonderful forms of agency etc., but still, trapped forever within its confines. Carlos had made the choice to decline the offer, preferring 'freedom'. Matus was pleased with this, saying that many others had chosen to join the inorganic beings and were never heard from again, etc, and had become forever changed and apart of a separate line of existence. Matus did say that it was that this freedom was his own personal preference as well, but seemed to imply that such a choice was strictly a matter of individual temperament. In Carlos' case, the commitment was apparently a permanent one. Others may not be, although any substantial set of experience will change a person, presumably. In the middling ranges, one might be as an impressionist painter a hundred years or so ago... free to do as he will, but surely graced by and gracing the company of his own kind, and all are more than they would have been as a result.
The second involves growth opportunities in the more tightly constrained human form. If a person shows exceptional, or even capable and promising, talent in some field, he is likely to attract the attention of would-be mentors, guides or guilds. Oh, say, a great intuitive skill in math or logic in a youngster might easily attract the attention and mentorship of a university research professor. A youth may show talent and early on be embraced by a goldsmith and his guild, or a carpenter and his guild, or work his way up quickly on a sailing ship or a hunting or prospecting team. These teams and guilds and individuals will generally have histories and agenda of their own, and the helping and training of the invited individual is generally not the primary objective of such agenda, but a by-product. 'Signing on with the team' involves loss of some independent volition, for the time being at least, and of learning of things the value and purpose of which may not be obvious or even fathomable to the student: statistics or logical structures are facilely handled in this or that way, others not so much; practices or methods of hunting taught may seem to have inscrutable reasons which only become understandable at later stages of learning. In the early days of keyboard and piano instruction, finger drills may seem absurdly byzantine. True, the student may well have learned on his own, with (lots of) time, the things he learns via the group. And he may well devise practices or methods differently effective from those he would have learned in the group, not having his perception in effect channeled by 'the belief system' (modeling system) of that group. Still, most
humans would consider the joining of such a group a great opportunity.
Separately comes in the questions relating to the potential, cost, and desirability of one's own agency becoming the central driver of the larger organism: If, say, a person enters into politics or public service, one may one day become 'president' of his nation, or tribal leader of his band, or in other milieu, university president, industry captain, pope, 'the central grace of an orchestra'.
But there may be substantially different dynamics operating outside of the human form that change the game, so to speak? Personally, I suspect that there is a fundamental drive in physical humans to be part of something larger than themselves, but I doubt that this drive is universal among all beings.
These are things that probably deserve attention from anyone seeking to evolve, or even 'just be'; presumably everyone reading these boards will be faced with these considerations in their own time, maybe repeatedly so.
Thanks again for sharing,
Montana
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