Personally,I do not subscribe to any particular beliefs about Dec.21,2012. However,it seems that many people do. This would mean that there exists groups of FWAUs with shared intentions/beliefs about what will be rendered by TBC at a very specific set of time increments in the relative future.I'm thinking this might be a rare opportunity to test this model of reality....

I'm wondering if these collective intentions (if there are enough of them)should predict an influence on the future probability spikes that will define the course of events in the PMR data stream on Dec.21 ?

Couldn't we get a rough estimate of the world's human population that hold specific beliefs/intentions for Dec 21 vs. the rest of the population, and then come up with some prediction about the likelihood of some type of anomaly occurring ? Ted or Tom,if you think this is a good idea and you are interested maybe you could organize some kind of survey to collect the needed data?

It seems that if the events of our PMR data stream are the probabilistic result of a collective cellular automata in which each of our individual and limited freewill choices and intentions (constrained by a rule set) contribute,then in such a case as 2012 in which a subset of FWAUs hold collective intent,we should see atleast some affect right ?

I could be wrong of course if there is a major distinction between collective mental intentions vs actions that directly modify the state of virtual 'external' objects in the PMR data stream. However,PSI research shows astounding levels of statistically significant results in regard to micro PK. (RNG influence and more recently double slit experiments) So I think that PSI evidence might support what I'm suggesting.

What do you all think?

I think i could care less, all i think that could happen is a highly focused feared based intent could go out and nudge the probabilities for something negative to happen. I do think all of this unprecedented weather might have been a long range prediction, that actualized due to that it was probable. And the long ago consciousness explores calculated a glitch in the system, or the probabilities of some type of significant change in 2012. That is my analogy on that. I think the real danger lays in all of the advanced weaponry, and the focus on Iran is in a uncertain state, this is happening now. These weapons are in the hands of people who think that the only thing that is real is matter, and they like power and control. This to me is the real issue at hand that needs creative non violent solutions. Maybe this was foreseen in the future data base. This i do care about. Since you ask, i thought i would give you my honest views. Sabby

Jeff,

With regards to the year 2012 as something special, Tom has pointed out that it comes after the year 2011 and before the year 2013. In other words, not particularly special. That is not to say that many things are not going on in the way of a kind of nexus ahead, although not necessarily linked to 2012 in any way. There is population, food and environmental quality in general with 7+ billion people on earth and the perspective of how will we ever feed this many people. There is the question of climate change which can be looked at from the PC perspective that man is changing the climate to ever hotter or can be looked at from the paleo historical perspective which shows that we are at what we could anticipate as the end of an interglacial warm period and about to reglaciate. We live in interesting times as the Chinese curse has it.

There is so much chaotic thought regarding what is going on that you need not be concerned about some kind of concerted mental state resulting in things going badly in some particular way. There is simply too much contradictory and chaotic thought for the system to pick out a consensus and produce it. The very low quality of the source is considered in permitting collective intent to adjust the probable future. There is plenty of mental chaos going on to cause trouble from just poor social interaction to worry that collective intent should be reckoned with. If such a statistical study were done as you suggest, it would not prove anything anyway.

Ted

All very true and reasonable Ted.If anything it might be interesting to see what the Global Consciousness Project's RNGs record on that date.

http://noosphere.princeton.edu/intro_bottom.html

I just used a reference for the Global Consciousness Project in a paper I wrote on Consciousness for my biopsychology class I'm in. Here is the citation but the article is not mine to share online here.

May, E. & Spottiswoode, S. (2011). The global consciousness project: Identifying the source of Psi. Journal of Scientific Exploration, 25(4), 663-682.

I referenced MBT and Whitworth too in the paper. I guess I should post it here, huh? I either have to figure out dropbox or be okay with it losing all its format. :)
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Jeff, I think Ted's points are the crux.

There is no (or very little) focused intent from the various '2012 believers'. In fact, is there even any intent at all, as opposed to just watching and waiting to see what may happen? That they want something to happen is probably very true, but that's only likely to produce a very weak (undetectable?) effect on specific probabilities.

Good point to think about, though.

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Although is does not seem like that this is very interesting, or that anybody really cares about it. I do like to make myself clear. When i said these weapons are in the hands of control freaks, i did not mean Iran. These are the ones being targeted, as to take their freewill away, from producing weapons that the control freaks already have. Just a note of clarification.-------- As far as the 2012 hype goes, i take that with a grain of salt, control freaks with advanced weaponry that could disrupt PMR as we know it, i take very seriously. And it is very likely that these people in question have some very strong focused intents, as to the solutions to their perceived problems. Sabby

I was wondering about that. Iran is no threat,except to fascist bankers and the MIC. The usual demagoguery is beginning again to ramp up public support for yet more war based on lies and the further spread of empire.

Anyway,the point of the thread was not about metaphysical beliefs and speculation on 2012. It is about a possible way to test some of the ideas here,just to be clear also.

Jeff, i know i just thought it was important enough to put in peoples awareness. Sabby

Jeff,

Two things. First, what is MIC? The Man in Charge? Second, there is in fact clear evidence that Iran has a process and project going to enhance uranium to the levels where it can be used in bombs. This project is both secretive and installed in places that are intended to avoid disruption by others through military action. This is both understandable as they know that many do not approve but contradictory to the claimed aims of only producing their own nuclear fuel. If that were the truth, then secrecy would not be necessary nor would installation in hardened and underground bunkers.The development of further extended capacity to blow things up by a country that has already been shown to deliberately support terrorist groups in other countries, control of other countries and is run by clear fundamentalist Moslems, of the kind that tend to Sharia law and terror campaigns, seems to not be the best outcome for the Middle East. The other countries there take it as very much of a threat.

We have all gotten used to Fred's pontificating without explanations and discount it appropriately. Could you clarify your comments? What facts and sources do you base them on? Granted that there are no doubt Fascist bankers out there since there are so many present day Fascists in other categories.

Ted

Ted i see you have fallen into the media brain washing that Iran is a threat, they are only a threat to Israel of which our blind support, humiliates and slaughters the Palestinians. They have nuclear capabilities and are seen as the real threat, by people outside of the influence of the US media. Some people might say we are the biggest supporter of terrorism. Romney is promising to support Israel much more than Obama. This is why Obama will get my vote, at least he knows and cares somewhat of what is best for the US. But he also knows he can only buck the power mongers so much. Romney like Bush will gladly give them a blank check. Sabby

Fred,

What I said above is supported by facts as reported by reputable and knowledgeable sources, not media brain wash. Try out the UN nuclear regulatory/inspection system for a source. Are you saying that they are part of the media and controlled by them? You make unsupported statements and I see no basis for them. Israel and all other countries with nuclear capability are a threat to the world. But you seem to be suffering from anti-Israel propaganda more than anything.

Ted

I am not here to argue about political views, like some here, i simply state things from my experience base. Take out of it whatever you like, and leave the rest, or disregard it all if you like. And think whatever you care to. The UN is basically a big joke to me. You seem to get it on one end, but stay blind to the other. Oh well we all have those constraints from time to time. Sabby

Fred,

So as per your usual modus operandi, you have no actual and defensible factual basis for your statements, only personal opinion. Any 'political' views I express on the board are based and linked to stated principles of MBT. Your pontifications are based on persona aggrandizement to all appearances. You imply knowledge which you do not possess and when challenged on this invariably fall back on personal attack, mumbling or bluster. Grow up. You were invited to leave in your previous incarnations on this board and you were not invited to return in this incarnation. You are on suffrage here and not acceptance other than as a gadfly.

Ted

As i said Ted i am not here to argue, and i was not singling you out. I am here to grow up so to speak, and i have no complaints about anybody's views. I am sorry you see me as attacking, for sharing the way i understand things. Sabby