Intention of Thread: To collect information on assumptions regarding dark matter/dark energy, and form a more concise definition for these elements.

Hopefully, this is a good place to start this thread. Personally, I keeping coming back to the idea that:

[Primary Assumption]

dark matter & dark energy are respective link/fractal from NPMR to PMR.

I will post more information as the thread develops, for now I would like to hear your thoughts on my initial assumption.

Reference:

'The Universe' a show hosted by the History Channel, has an episode on Dark matter which can be found on YouTube at:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L2Fb-m9FfWg

Be well,

Bryce

Bryce,

I am inclined to think that the dark matter/energy is essentially a case like the situation for quantum mechanics: anomalies outside of the fractal levels directly observable by IUOCs participating in PMR. With regards to a link to the explanation for the anomalies of quantum mechanics: viewtopic.php?f=9&t=2453

The dark matter/energy is only observable based upon having suitable scientific apparatus available to observe at the large, cosmic scale, fractal levels and only then by calculations based upon those observations showing this dark matter/energy as what would be necessary in order to satisfy the known relationships of physics, if it were present to eliminate anomalies otherwise present. That is, we do not know that this matter and energy is present but unobservable. We just calculate what would be required in order to make the equations of cosmic physics balance out.

As Tom has noted I believe, the rule set of PMR that generates the characteristics of the VR is based primarily and directly upon the middle range of fractal levels that are directly observable by participating IUOCs. Quantum level particles are likewise only observable based upon suitable scientific apparatus extending the observations of humans down to those levels where the probability waves are collapsed by those observations to detail the existence of a particle. Cosmic level mass and energy that is not observable becomes indirectly observable based upon suitable scientific apparatus extending the observations of humans up to those levels where the probability waves are again collapsed by those observations to describe the mass and energy required to keep the results of know (believed applicable) scientific theories consistent with those observations. In other words, it can be seen as a fudge factor to make the physics work out. I wouldn't bet the farm on it, but this is the way that it looks to me.

As a later edit, don't anyone modify their own thinking and speculations on this thread based upon my putting in my own two cents worth. If Tom had thought this was significant or knew the answer himself, he would have probably commented already as I have said this before, just perhaps not so completely. Consider this as open and unknown territory.

Ted

So in a nutshell...what your saying is I am trying to understand the "Big bang of consciousness." Still, even though we both know this is out of my league, it is interesting. Like I was saying to Bette in another thread it just "seems" logic to assume patterns in micro vs macro consciousness.

Bryce, cellular, cell, c_a, cellular_automation (this hits me as fractal too, the levels),
Everything is fractal in my opinion. I also wonder where to "properly" (for organizational sake) put things "only" concerning PMR physics too like I think this does, and the ZPE field, brains, climate, all that stuff we can find when trying to better understand our learning lab.

When my understanding (and really I think I am saying "belief system" instead when saying "understanding") was that everything was energy I would have jumped all over this. I still find ZPE and this dark energy/matter mystery interesting. I used to think it was our souls, the energy. Now I think it may be something scientists have made themselves belief in order to put order to this 'all this', and so now they are seeing it, perhaps.

I see Ted's post but will toss this in anyway. I meant to add to stop the video at 2:00 to see a representation of Indra's Net, the RWW, etc., pretty. While I'm on this subject a new observation of mine is that to get this representation when gazing into pool water the water needs to be perturbed, but in a nice way. :)
Love
Bette

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