Time as a process fractal is a new idea that fits exactly my experience. I am wondering if the clock frequency of PMR and OS NPMR are fairly close together. If OS NPMR is an interface between PMR and NPMRn, then it seems our NPMR would be closer to our frequency. Perhaps I am wrong in thinking of it as an interface, but it seems data collected here moves through our NPMR to NPMRn. Also, is our oversoul in NPMRn? The aspect of me I feel as non physical seems to be my OS NPMR self and the connection to oversoul goes somewhere else.

The difference in time rates leads to interesting questions.

Is this why dreams can seem so long with little time passing here? Experience of days can be only minutes on awakening, but you know the time has passed. I often travel when sleeping, sometimes to spin realities of my own imagination, but often the experience is outside of me. Only the part my PMR mind can conceive is retained and the rest is kept elsewhere.

Travels outside of our NPMR could have a very long duration with little time passing in PMR. I can see how this would aid in overall lowering of entropy, given the right intent choices are made in other frames. Is this correct?

It seems that investing in a PMR experience would be a long term investment. If we here are in the school of hard knocks as a means of more rapidly lowering entropy, then NPMR sentients must evolve very slowly. Or is it that our oversouls are slow learners in comparison to others. Perhaps the unique experience gained is a gamble for oversouls who are more adventurous and are betting they won't devolve.

Just speculating a bit. No one seems to be posting in this string and I think it is a fascinating concept. I can access the database in a limited way and now it makes much more sense with the RWW process fractal model.

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Stroker: I am wondering if the clock frequency of PMR and OS NPMR are fairly close together. …. Perhaps I am wrong in thinking of it as an interface, but it seems data collected here moves through our NPMR to NPMRn. Also, is our oversoul in NPMRn? The aspect of me I feel as non physical seems to be my OS NPMR self and the connection to oversoul goes somewhere else.

Tom: The fundamental clock frequency of OS-NPMR is not different than that rest of NPMR but remember that higher frequencies can easily operate on the same time-scale level as lower frequencies — it just doesn't work the other way around. OS-NPMR, being highly interactive with PMR, does seem to be on a time scale much like PMR but that is only because the interaction requires it, not because they are restricted to do so. One has to remember that that our designation of various areas such as PMR, OS-NPMR and NPMRn is an arbitrary device that allows us to talk of function in terms of “place“. “Place“ is not a native construct to consciousness but we use the language of place because it is a primary metaphor within the PMR language we are using to communicate. Think of consciousness sharing data between virtual reality frames defined by different rule-sets.

Stroker: The difference in time rates leads to interesting questions.

Tom: Yes, the issues/experiences you bring up are correct and are manifestations of time being defined by rule-sets within virtual realities existing as portions of a process fractal.

Stroker: It seems that investing in a PMR experience would be a long term investment. If we here are in the school of hard knocks as a means of more rapidly lowering entropy, then NPMR sentience must evolve very slowly. Or is it that our oversouls are slow learners in comparison to others. Perhaps the unique experience gained is a gamble for oversouls who are more adventurous and are betting they won't devolve.

Tom: Any wise investment in evolutionary growth is a long term investment. If you compare evolutionary growth rates between equivalent entities (units of consciousness of equal low to medium quality), then those in PMR would likely be progressing more quickly than those in NPMR or NPMR-OS. Speed and efficiency of process cuts both ways — within a faster process you can both evolve and devolve more quickly.

Tom C

Thanks Tom. As always your answers are good ones that make me think more about my questions. I just watched your video from the UK and was impressed by your presentation. Ya did good! Luv ya man.

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Stroker: "Also, is our oversoul in NPMRn? The aspect of me I feel as non physical seems to be my OS NPMR self and the connection to oversoul goes somewhere else."
I didn't see this directly answered but thought it was a great topic.

Would you say that our oversoul isn't confined to any specific designated subset? It seems that our oversoul or FWAU is simply a confined subset of consciousness within AUM indepedent of any designated subset. Our accumulated experience may have taken place in one specific VR whether in OS or any of the various NPMRn but is at the same time independent of all of them. I derive this from the books, this discussion board, and some other ideas. One idea being that since our FWAU or individuated consciousness is capable of visiting any of the PMRk, NPMRn, or beyond it's existence must be independent of all of them. The idea that it resides in any one "place" is a limiting thought. I might be way off base here but that seems logical to me. Any thoughts?

Ramon

Glad to see the board back up, and a new slick format too!

I now feel that my oversoul is focused in NPMR. We have to get away from the idea of place or location. 3D thinking is hard to get away from, but I'm beginning to get past it. Think of it more as a point of focus in digital consciousness decision space. I have found that when we assign boundaries like OS NPMR, and so on it helps us to begin focusing our attention and expanding our awareness. It also limits our understanding. My focus of attention is able to reach and percieve at my limit of understanding and as I push the limit, experience is the foundation for expansion.

Tom says it all better than I can, my description is hopefully more like a hyperlink, sending you in a new direction, than a static unchanging opinion. That is how I see Tom's work, a solid framework that we build onto with our own experience.

Ramon, I don't think our oversoul is confined in any way. I see it as being where it chooses to bo to achieve its goals, and also somewhere in the comfortable limits of its own capability and understanding. The only limits other than the operating ruleset would be evolutionary limits which we, our oversouls, and every other sentient entity can expand as it lowers entropy.

What a game! To quote an old saying " If it were easy, everyone would want to do it, and it would'nt pay very well"

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As usual great insights Stroker! It seems like you have some good experience there. I hope my own understanding continues to blossom and grow in a likewise fashion.
What a game indeed. I take my existence seriously but once the idea became rooted in my PMR consciousness that it is all a game (yet still an important game) I found my fears of failing or gaining someone else's approval falled to the wayside. Talk about a marvelous freedom. Scoring quality points is the goal. Not PMR approval or acceptance.
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Ramon

Stroker,

You only got one thing wrong. Correction: I couldn't have said it any better than you did.

Tom