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PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 10:13 am 
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Tom,

Thank you again for checking on my guides/helpers. Ive had some really wild adventures since then and have a few questions about what I have experienced since then. I am going to explain briefly about some trips I have had and what has happened that I am confused about.

1. Fell asleep reading MBT and instantly showed up on a street that was totally covered by this beautiful huge and thick light blue crystal walkway with crystal columns, there are what appears to be shops/stores on both sides It looks modern, mother daughter holding hands walking across the street . I go into the shop they had just left and it resembles a dinner/store, there were people in Boothe's and at a bar being served something? there is a line of people inside the store towards the back which looks like a cafeteria line, I see my brother I haven't talked to in several years and went up to him patted him on his back and asked him 'what are you doing here' he replied I am asleep on the couch', but he seemed like he was out of it, no expression at all. I leave the line and notice 2 older people that look like they run the shop they are behind the bar I would say man and woman were around 60ish. I went up to the Lady and started talking to her about the shop, I said some woman had given me a book about the shop and I wanted to check it out? I am asking her if this place is real and she glances at the older man who gives a slight disapproving shake of his head, So I stop asking questions and start looking at the items in the store, Baskets full of smooth, odd, brightly colored stones and a beautiful golden bird cage with 4 live little birds that looked like living dark blue jewels with a bright red circle on the wings. So while I am looking I realized I didn't have to walk so I hovered about 2 inches off the floor and glided, effortless with out any type of jerkiness or momentum and I didn't have to will myself to stop, if I wanted to look at something it was automatic and smooth.So I get to a point that I want to check out the other shops in the street and the old woman comes to me as I am about to leave and she smiles and tells me that this place I am in is real and this is not a dream and looks at the old man who gives a approving nod, at this point I get so excited and have so much joy at this info that I have this massive uncontrollable energy release which comes from 1-2 inches above my belly button which snaps me from my trip to waking state instantly and when I was awake I could still feel the tingling spot in my belly, though not as strong for the next few min.

1Q. Was the energy projection a good or bad thing? is this something I need to learn to control? why did I feel this when I came back?


2. Laid down to meditate at night, at some point during the meditation I realize I am riding in a car with my dad who is deceased and we are going hunting and it looks like rabbit hunting, I see some huge jack rabbits and I say look at those lets get them, he replies nope those aren't the ones were looking for, we pass another verity of rabbits a little smaller and I ask him how about those he replies no those are not them either, we come up to a little pack of rabbits that have light brown fur but the hind quarter is the same dark jewel blue with red spot as the birds 'above' and he said these are the ones we are looking for, we pull the car over and start heading down a path that leads to a house, we enter the house and he walks out the back door but I cannot follow him, moments later 2 men enter the house and say to me 'so you Bobby's son' I say yes and we greet each other, they sit on a couch and are very laid back, we talk for a while then one gets up and says I want to show you something, so I follow him and he pulls what looks like a plastic sandwich bag from his pocket and says take a look at this stuff. It looked allot like marijuana, he pulls a little chunk out and says watch this and lit a little chunk with a lighter and it lit up like a little chunk of magnesium 'very bright intense but short burst' then he said something along the lines of good shit huh??? I then woke up wondering if I had just met my new guides?

2Q.Now I know I am interpreting this stuff the best I can at my present state, but is there such a thing as laid back pot smoking hippies as guides? And there is something about the dark blue color with a red circle I just don't get yet.



3. I lay down to meditate and after a few min find myself in a really cool old stone 3 story house, the detail is just beautiful, I realize I am following myself , right behind and a little above myself, I am watching myself but felling the emotions and experiencing things like my cowboy boots walking across the polished antique redwood floors, the creeks in the floor when I step down on them but I am not doing the stepping, I am hovering right behind and above me. I know this is my place my wife is there in the kitchen talking to some friends but we don't have any children, so I am thinking maybe an unactualized past ? this went on for what seemed like several hours, interacting with a few different people that had come to the house. Just like a normal day.

3Q.Does this resemble accessing the unactualized past database? it seemed like we were the same age as I am now and I even had on my bluejeans,white Tshirt and cowboy boots.


4Q. I keep hearing a woman's voice in my head, I had though it was just my mind jabber but I am getting a little better at focusing and not just throwing it out of my mind. So the last thing I heard in my head from her was 'if you wait here a while they will come to you' in your experience would a while be interpreted as PMR or NPMR terms? like 15 min or 15 years?

5Q.about 1 month ago when I would meditate I could feel something like a 2 inch strip of pressure going across my forehead right above my brow ridge, now 3-5 min into my meditation it is a circle about the same size maybe a little smaller than a coke can bottom, it is in the center of my head right above my brow ridge it is a perfect circular pressure, it doesn't hinder me at all just curious if you have any insight on what it may be?

6Q. I have been getting allot of these strong whole body tingles that end up with whole body prickly goosebumps which lasts 30-45 seconds it almost resembles energy being pulled from me, it doesn't frighten me and I now just relax and let them finish but do you have any experience with these or what they may be or what is causing them?

7Q. Tom, do you ever get hit with a signal or any type of communication from folks on this board? I have tried a a couple of times to contact you and I am not sure if you had picked up anything from me? just tasting the pudding.



I owe a big thank you to everyone on this board, I have been keeping up with your postings and for the most part it seems like when I have a question about something, that question either gets answered or I get a clarification on what I was thinking about within 1-3 days, you guys rock :)

Have a good weekend.

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 Post subject: Re: A few Questions
PostPosted: Sat Sep 06, 2008 5:56 pm 
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Looks like your new guides are fully engaged, energetic and creative. That is much as I would have expected (and what you asked for).

1Q. Was the energy projection a good or bad thing? is this something I need to learn to control? why did I feel this when I came back?

It was neither a good or bad thing - it just was. No need to control it unless it becomes a bother which it probably won't. You felt it so you would have physical evidence of the nonphysical event. Your guides are guiding your experiences. Simply experience, follow where they lead, learn from them.

2Q.Now I know I am interpreting this stuff the best I can at my present state, but is there such a thing as laid back pot smoking hippies as guides? And there is something about the dark blue color with a red circle I just don't get yet.

Your guides will take whatever form they think will be useful—and, of course, depending on their personalities, they may demonstrate a sense of humor. I had one once that would call himself "Thor" and then roll thunder and flash lightning - all in good humor. You may never get it, it may just be an attention grabber -- an element that when added across multiple experiences makes you realize that the experiences are not just random or independent but rather planned and orchestrated for your benefit.

3Q.Does this resemble accessing the unactualized past database? it seemed like we were the same age as I am now and I even had on my bluejeans,white Tshirt and cowboy boots.

This was to show you that all NPMR experiences need not be "other worldly" - that there can be a connection between PMR and NPMR that mirrors your local reality but does not necessarily duplicate it. How your guides implemented this experience is hard to say but they may have well used the unactualized historical database. Next time ask them what they are doing and why.

4Q. I keep hearing a woman's voice in my head, I had though it was just my mind jabber but I am getting a little better at focusing and not just throwing it out of my mind. So the last thing I heard in my head from her was 'if you wait here a while they will come to you' in your experience would a while be interpreted as PMR or NPMR terms? like 15 min or 15 years?

She was urging you to wait in NPMR - it wouldn't have taken long until something happened whether anyone came or not. Perhaps they were trying to help you open an audio channel and were using a female voice because they thought you would respond better to it.

5Q.about 1 month ago when I would meditate I could feel something like a 2 inch strip of pressure going across my forehead right above my brow ridge, now 3-5 min into my meditation it is a circle about the same size maybe a little smaller than a coke can bottom, it is in the center of my head right above my brow ridge it is a perfect circular pressure, it doesn't hinder me at all just curious if you have any insight on what it may be?

Several possibilities. It may be a physical metaphor representing the changes and happenings that are now occurring. As such it may provide you with a communications tool (a symbol) for encouraging these NPMR experiences - i.e., turn it from an artifact to an initiator (focus on the circle to initiate activity or to communicate with your guides). It may be the red circle or like the red circle combined with the above the belly button sensation - something to capture your attention, demonstrate a physical connection, and add continuity to your experiences.

6Q. I have been getting allot of these strong whole body tingles that end up with whole body prickly goosebumps which lasts 30-45 seconds it almost resembles energy being pulled from me, it doesn't frighten me and I now just relax and let them finish but do you have any experience with these or what they may be or what is causing them?

Same as last answer: It may be the red circle or like the red circle combined with the above the belly button sensation - something to capture your attention, demonstrate a physical connection, and add continuity to your experiences. You are doing the right thing. Relax and be aware in the experience, be observant and open for a communication of some sort (now that they have your attention). Ask about what is going on and then wait for an answer. If you get no response ask again in a different way.

7Q. Tom, do you ever get hit with a signal or any type of communication from folks on this board? I have tried a a couple of times to contact you and I am not sure if you had picked up anything from me? just tasting the pudding.

A few days before this post you popped into my awareness - at my instigation or yours I am not sure - could have been either way, it is often hard to tell for certain who initiates a pop in. I asked you how it was going, if your new guides were doing better than the last bunch - then a few days later up popped this post.

Glad you are making progress -- hope these comments help you integrate what is happening into a more useful perspective.

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 Post subject: Re: A few Questions
PostPosted: Sun Sep 07, 2008 10:14 am 
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Hi Tom, Good morning.

Your explanations make perfect since to me, thank you again for your comments and patience with the newbie :) your help has been a great source of inspiration for me. I have been doing the soccer ball teqnique and its been working great, I have put up the hemi-sync cd for good. I also have been trying a sugestion you gave to JoshM about a state for constant meditation below.


"Meditate on the bus or while you wait in a doctor's office as well as in a quiet room. After that all becomes easy, learn to maintain meditations while walking around with a small piece of you tracking what you are doing enough to keep you safe -- then maintain that meditation state in some part of you while you carry on a conversation with another part -- popping back and forth between states."

1Q. Is this like visually keeping the soccer ball in your head, moving back and forth with your breathing while your walking down the street talking with someone? I am not sure if I understand this completely.

Have a great day Tom.

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Thynes,

Well, that would be practicing parallel processing or multi-processing and as such would help you be able to do what I had in mind. I was thinking of an accomplished meditator learning first to meditate effectively in a more general (less benign, more normal) environment. then after that is mastered, learning to shift his focus quickly and easily back and forth between two reality frames (the meditation frame and the PMR frame) so that he can be operationally functional in both of them at the same time. It is rather advanced work but not as difficult as it sounds -- and it can be very useful. Be careful and use good judgment - don't walk into any walls.

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Tom,

Thank you for your input, the reason I was thinking about trying this "and this may or may not be any type of training on my part' For the last several years when I drive I haven't been listening to music on the radio, Ive listened to hemi-sync focus 10 and 12 and sometimes the focus 21 'doing the energy conversion box, rebal balloon, and energizing OHM or chant then focusing on the tones throughout the day this is several hours a day X years worth of listening, I have missed many exit's because I just wasn't all there and when I would reach my destination it was almost like waking up in the morning, kinda like I just got done taking a nap. No accidents and I would say my reaction time was a little slower than normal. Also when I would make it back to the shop/home doing chores, yard work-house work I would listen to the hemi-sync and kinda zone out while I would do this, 'in short, the CD player upgraded to apple nano and unless I had to talk to someone the ear buds where in all the time.

Does this qualify as parallel processing to you? I don't know if this would qualify or not.

So what your talking about to start this is part of you staying in the void? the end affect of meditation or actually doing the meditation where you are visually 'in a section of your mind concentrating on the soccer ball'? Sorry I am a little slow at times picking up on things.

Have a great day Tom,

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Thynes,

Yes, it does sound like you are parallel processing.

My description wasn't clear. I was referring to staying in the void or operating in NPMR such as doing healing work, gathering information from the databases, interacting with an NPMR entity, etc. while also being aware enough in MPMR to be functioning there as well.

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Thank's Tom,

I understand this now :)

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That is a good description of parallel processing. As I mentioned in another post, I have been practicing the healing techniques often while driving and find that I am able to focus on it quite clearly while still driving and not missing a thing. I haven't quite perfected doing it while carrying on a conversation. I tend to miss a lot of what the person is saying. Then they start to think that I am a space cadet or a lunatic. Practice, practice, practice I guess.

Tom,
I am glad that you mentioned Thor. I have been thinking of asking you about that entity ever since reading about it in "Catapult" by Bayard Stockton. For those of you unaware, this is a biography of Robert Monroe written in 1989. I wondered if this was an entity that you still communicated with even though it might have dropped that ident. Do you think that it was just an attention grabber as you say? If so, were you particularly interested in mythology or could it have been similar to one of Jung's archetypes? Something in the collective consciousness that could possibly be the source of the mythological god himself?

I don't know if you read that book or not Tom, but there was a great compliment paid to you by Stockton and Bob himself. It is as follows:
"Tom Campbell, another of the early Explorers, had a physicist's scientific approach to channeling. Bob says, admiringly, 'He was a great investigative explorer, fearless. He'd get into situations and boldly ask, 'Who are you?'
'He knew he wasn't perceiving what he was perceiving.
'Tom wanted badly to understand the Time-Space Illusion on Earth, and how it works. The Friends in the non-physical group offered to teach him, to make him understand, in his terms. But the simple facts of his own Time-Space Illusion - the requirements of his job, to be precise - prevented it.' Campbell had to move away from Virginia before the concentrated inquiry could be launched."

Now, of course, we know that the "concentrated inquiry" wasn't prevented in any way. I remember when I first read this, a year before discovering MBT, wondering what had become of you and if you still were exploring. It's great to know that you did. Were the "Friends" really helpful or did you explore mostly on your own? Some of your comments have indicated the latter rather than the former. Or did you simply realize that it was "you" helping "you" all along? Either way it's obvious that the roots of MBT go way back.

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Hi Ramon,

I liked the space cadet comment :) I notice my clients looking at me weird when Id just get done driving to see them, I really think they thought I was on something cause
it would be late morning,early afternoon and I look like I just woke up. But hey I have been thinking about healing for the last few weeks and low an behold your practicing it 'coincidence :) '. I would like to find out about what you do or how you are practicing the healing thing. I tried this 1 time with my wife who has this defective gallbladder and has caused her daily trouble for months, the doctors have told her she needs it out but she stubborn and hates doctors, 3 weeks ago it was pretty bad so I was on a couch next to her meditating and felt I was pretty deep into it , I was picturing her in my mind and this is going to sound weird but have you ever seen the cartoon DragonballZ, well
I was trying to figure out how to project energy into her mid section, I didn't do much of the Monroe energy bar stuff so visually I tried with one of my hands but I didn't think it was doing anything, not much of a wave coming out so I just happened to think of this character Goku from the cartoon and I did a kamekame wave it was a awesome huge wave of white and green swirled together and I kept it up for about 3 min, I have no idea if what I did had any effect whatsoever but she has not had another gallbladder problem since then. So it has me wondering if this is just a coincidence or did I actually do some good, I am very curious to find out how others are doing/practicing it

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Thynes,
It's nice to meet a fellow space cadet! Yes, I have been working on learning how to heal. Mostly my technique involves visualizing the person you are wanting to heal. Then, intend to see the affected areas as different than the rest. I usualy try to see it as a dark spot in their figure, although Tom says whatever visualization works best for you will do. Then I visualize a bright light burning away the dark spots to heal them. When I try to do this I usually try to feel my total self working along with me and even speak to them in my head, asking for assistance. Often I will even try to be aware of the subjects total self asking for their(?) help as well. That's just something I have added in for me. Tom recommends keeping it up for several weeks if necessary and several times a day as well.
This is a link to another post by me on this:
viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2807&p=4122&hilit=healing#p4122

I haven't seen DragonballZ but Tom stresses that the visualization is just a tool. If it is an effective tool for "you" then use it. It's just a focusing of your awareness and intent to affect the change. It sounds like it worked for you.

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Hi Ramon,

That was a great read, thank you for pointing it out. I'm just trying a bit of everything it seems like :) thanks to Tom some doors have finally started opening up and after so many years of trying, I am actually able to see some progress so its like a kid in the candy store sorta thing and Just having a bunch of fun doing it.

Have a good one Ramon and nice to meet you too.

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Ramon: I wondered if this was an entity that you still communicated with even though it might have dropped that ident.

Tom: This particular entity just has a good sense of humor. After we ran the Thor joke (resonant larger than life booming voice "I am Thor" followed by lightning and thunder - followed by silence followed by uproarious laughter) into the ground, a more serious name was prodded out of him: HanYoi Young (he either picked that from one of his favorite PMR incarnations (what he said) or just made it up) - I have only to casually think of that name and a gong will ring like a mighty exclamation point at the end of "Young". Though I am to this being as my Briard is to me (in many ways a lot less, in very few ways a little more) we are good friends and interact regularly. (No, he does not throw sticks for me to fetch.) I always instantly hear the gong's deep resonance if I use that name to make the connection - most often I do not since names are irrelevant - a PMR habit unnecessary in NPMR. It was he who found me and introduced himself as Thor (booming commanding voice, really loud thunder, ferocious lightning, and eventually hearty laughter). Had I not instantly come right back at him with a "you have gotta be kidding! Thor!? Where did they drag you in from?" I may never have heard the laughter and perhaps would have been shifted to plan B - a different role altogether. He no doubt had other options. I didn't know at the time of our connection, but I was a part of his plan - the earlier contact and training that I had been given in NPMR was at his request and I remain today in his service and he in mine. So we go back a long way - many lifetimes.

Ramon: Were the "Friends" really helpful or did you explore mostly on your own? Some of your comments have indicated the latter rather than the former.

Tom: My exploring and learning were pretty much all on my own. My NPMR friends (as opposed to The Friends -- i.e., friends are always personal, they did not belong to the institute) helped where they could, occasionally kept me on the path, out of trouble, and alive, but it is the nature of reality that you must learn and grow on your own. One only learns through experience, not through being told because you only have the concepts you have in you head to work with, at least until you create some new ones. To really "get it" you have to do the probing and implement the experiments yourself.

Thynes: I did a kamekame wave it was a awesome huge wave of white and green swirled together and I kept it up for about 3 min, I have no idea if what I did had any effect whatsoever but she has not had another gallbladder problem since then.

Tom: Your healing was no doubt very effective, but you must collect data over time to prove to yourself that it s so. Tools are just tools - inventions of our own making that help us focus our intent. Personal tools that you generate (make up) will usually work better than trying to use somebody else's tools. Whatever a "kamekame wave" is, it appears to be a good tool for you at this time. Tools will change as you change.

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Tom,
Thanks for the information. The story about HanYoi Young was very interesting. I got a lot more with that response than I had bargained for. (On a side note, I had to Google Briard because I assumed it was a dog but didn't know what kind. The first link I clicked on showed a picture of a Briard named...Ego. True story.)
So, it sounds like he is in some way your NPMR benefactor as well as friend. When you compare yourself to your Briard in relation to him, he must be pretty high up in the NPMR food chain. Maybe he doesn't throw sticks but I bet he has dangled a few carrots in front of you. Encouraging you to wake up and see the larger reality was a pretty big thing. I guess we all here should thank him for that. So, thank you HanYoi Young.
Thanks again for sharing this. I have thought about asking about "Thor" for a while but hesitated since you never mentioned him in the books or here. Glad to see you two are still getting along.

Ramon
P.S. How many times did that gong ring while writing that response?


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Hi Tom, All

If you are interested at all, or need a little amusement or 1.5 minuets to kill here is a Kamehameha wave, I misspelled it above. I haven't seen these for years but its what popped into my mind when I was trying to project strong healing energy to my wife. It was a very emotional wave and had strong feelings behind it- pushing it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Jc5f5maafzs


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Thynes:
"or need a little amusement or 1.5 minuets to kill here is a Kamehameha wave"
Thats exactly what happened to me when I got angry at the checkout and my credit card refusal! (except my "glow" was more a sort of dark grey/black...!)


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