Yeah I know, this sounds ridiculous but sometimes in the vibrational state and after release I get a steady painful cramping in my gums and teeth, like they are in a vice is the only way I can describe it.Has anyone else experienced this ?Is there a remedy? The only thing I can think of is maybe a vibrational harmonic reacting to the rigid structure of the teeth...it feels like they might actually crack at some point.

_________________
Shut up and meditate

I have never had that experience fortunately.Does this stop your OBE or can you split your awareness of it and continue?

I'm no expert on the vibrational state,but I have had discomfort in it at times,like chest area sensations.Once after an OBE I tried to get back "out" and felt a jolt/shocking paralysis when I "sat up"(in my dream body).It felt like I hit a glass wall or something,I wonder if these causes are related?

Most of my OBEs occur upon "waking" from sleep instead of transitioning from the wake state into trance/sleep.I think because of this, I do not stay in the vibrational state long ,so I can't help too much. However ,I have read over at saltcube that if you try to "exit" too soon,your physical and dream bodies(to use the common metaphysical jargon)will be out of phase and then stronger vibrations will then be felt.Nick suggests waiting a bit longer before the exit to overcome this.

I think there is some truth in this because I have had OBEs in which I felt zero vibrations and have just stood up/rolled right out.Most times, I become aware after sleep while presumably still in sleep paralysis,I stretch my arms or legs out with some vibrations but nothing that stops me.Maybe it's a matter of timing?

I'll check back latter,I hope some of that helped.
Jeff

Jeff, thanks for the insights,

It doesn't stop the OOBE but sometimes I can feel it somewhere in my consciousness as a nagging discomfort. I exit at the height of vibration usually and just imagine myself floating up with my eyes closed and I usually give myself time to clear the roof before trying to see.

The worse discomfort with the teeth actually occured from a hemi-sync induced state when I popped into the probable future reality first as a embodied participant and then as an observer
( my best evidence gathering to date) I was aware of my teeth in the vise but the pain was non local in the experience it was somewhere else, but it hurt.

I am sure I will get a handle on this in time and alleviate the problem. I think I may need to do a lot of "intent" work. Focused intent seems to be one of my major problems right now.It is a much deeper subject than I realized and absolutely critical.

I have never been to salt cube thanks for the reference,I'll check it out

_________________
Shut up and meditate

What a puzzle! Never heard of such a thing!

So, time to gather more data...!~

Try, before OBE-time each of the following separately (on separate occasions):

1) systematically stretching the face and neck muscles for a few minutes

2) Chewing two or three pieces of gum for a good 15-30 minutes.

3) Taking aerobic exercise for at least 20 minutes earlier that day (The increased blood flow actually seems to flush accumulated toxins out of the capilaries beneath the teeth. Back when I used to smoke, if I hadn't run for a while when I went out for a good trot, my teeth would itch intensely as they were being flushed out... that's what it seemed like anyway.)

.... maybe others can think of some other variables to examine.

-Montana

Hey Simba,
You probably know this already,but just in case, I thought I would share another possible solution and also ask for some advice myself.

After thinking about it a bit,I remembered that there are ways to bypass the "vibrational" stage altogether (at least from my experiences)

In the late morning hours, longer "REM" cycles are "rendered" from the rule set and allow for increased chances for success in reaching a "NPMR' focus.

Basically,you lay in bed after waking (may want to empty the bladder) and watch imagery form behind your closed eyes while the body is comfortable(I truly believe body position doesn't matter).After a while the imagery becomes more and more stable and active.You have to be a sort of "silent observer" at first,as the images grow and encompass you.

Eventually,you will know when the timing is right to "step into them" (You have a sense of total immersion.)This will not work if you take action before the "scene" is ready.
I think this is commonly called a W.I.L.D., they work nice under the right circumstances ,and from my experience,by pass vibrations/separation.There should be a contiuation of awareness throughout this procedure.Some of my favorite "Lucid Dreams" have begun in this way.

As for saltcube,definitely check it out.The conversation is not nearly as deep as here, but it is a fun place.I post as "2211" over there sometimes.

You mentioned using Hemisync.I have recently bought some "binural beat" stuff to experiment with.I am interested in achieving NPMR awareness during "waking hours" Could you share some tips ?

My teeth are nocturnal, so I won't have this problem when I get to vibration stage, if that occurs with me.
Love
Bette

_________________
All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

Jeff, I use the same technique you mentioned. It works great. Simba, Jeff is right you skip vibrations this way. Vibrations are mainly pleasure for me though. I never had "bad vibrations" or problem with vibrations.I doubt vibrations are the problem. I never experienced any real pains either so I can't advice from my experience.

Claudio

_________________
"Every moment can be as good as you want it to be."
"Experience is the ultimate teacher."

> http://soprano.com <

From a sleep state my OOBe's are always the same heavy vibration with almost a deafening roaring in both ears, it's really a relief to float up and get away from it, I have gone out and come back on as many as 4 different journeys in one morning, I just have to solve this "Teeth problem"

Thanks for the comments Monty,Jeff and Clau.

Bette, Nocturnal teeth? They only come out at night? Fangs?You're scaring me here.

Hemi-Sync works like this for me,I listen to the "Brain Food" Cd it is about 30 minutes long.I go through it once and restart it, at the end of the second (sometimes third)30 minute session as it winds down in volume I drift off with it automatically and it is then when I will get popped into somewhere.The last time on hemi-sync I went into a future probability state and then from that state I went Out of body through a colored tunnel into this strange neighborhood where children chased me with sticks as I passed overhead, wherever I was it was night time, back here in PMR it was 2:00 PM, that was pretty bizarre. I feel like a kid with his first tricycle running into things and falling off a lot.

I can't wait to see what this year brings

_________________
Shut up and meditate

Jeff- intuitively I know I can bypass the vibrational state, and just shift to another stream of data like TC talks about, that makes a lot of sense to me but I'm just not there yet although, I do try that bypass with a consciousness awareness meditation. I do know those scenes you refer to(usually unfamiliar people staring at me, waiting for me to do something) they phase in and out, the other day one of them actually tossed a rubber ball towards me and I almost caught it, it's like they are trying to figure it out as much as I am and just waiting for me come through.So close.

Montanna-thanks for that advice I'll try the gum chewing tonight since I had a stocking full of gum for Christmas,

_________________
Shut up and meditate

Close enough, they come out at night. :0
Love
Bette

_________________
All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

Simba,
Thanks for the advice,I will try something similar to what you described for daytime practice.

About the rubber ball being tossed at you; isn't that amazing stuff? This happens to me often in regular dreams.They range from the subtle to absurd ,to even confrontational to wake me up it seems.Once,a "dream chararcter"even fired a bottle rocket at me! I often have the sense that they are trying to "wake" me or test my impulsive reactions to confrontation.Other times,the situation seems to hinge on my level of empathy.There has even been a giant,musical comedy production before!Sometimes, I still remain "asleep" despite their antics and wake to feel angry at myself for failing.I wonder why they just can't be more direct and just tell me "Hey,you're dreaming" ?

Another time,I calmly gained a deep lucidity and managed to remain calm w/o flying off,just surveyed my immediate surroundings. Then a guide next to me lead me into a building where a small crowd appluaded me.Other times I have acted like a complete jackass!(when I used to think it was just MY "dream"while lucid) But through a couple of years of learning,I have become respectful to everyone there and have had great meaningful experiences and interactions.

Their reactions in neighborhoods, cities and such are also a source of amazement to me.They range from friendly,fearful to indifferent.I also feel like a kid with a new toy,embarrassingly enough, inhabitants have even told me as such before.(but in a different way)

Sorry for going off topic,but I just love to talk about this.It's not often that I come across a context for this stuff.

Jeff,

It is amazing stuff and can be quite absurd, my "Jackass" moments are well documented in NPMR I'm sure. Many times I end up disgusted with myself, TC says don't judge so that helps.

You and I seem to have parallel Tests going on. I have had those terrifying dreams where I wake up shaking and wish I would have done something,finally last week I turned and did something.Surprised the hell out of me. It was one of those dreams where everything was after me in an evil way around every corner. The main problem was the town Sherrif who allowed and promoted the evil stuff and just had it out for me, it came down to a standoff between him and me and I took him out-no fear.I attacked him with full confidence and bit his freakin nose off.First time I can ever remember not cowering or hiding in the face of such terror.

I know that sounds violent and it was, in PMR I am not a violent person,never have been.But this Sherrif just wouldn't have it any other way...so I had to give it to em.I am sure the dream architects are going to click it up a notch now.Fun and games....

_________________
Shut up and meditate

Oh my gosh Simba/Blaine that is so funny. Bet that shocked 'it' quite a bit. I do this thing with my son, 21 with autism, when we are doing our loving thing (he likes to look at my mouth, the triangle of mouth, nose, eyes actually). We are basically face to face so every so often I bite his nose off (I open my mouth wide and apply slight pressure with my teeth), tell him how sweet it is (like sugar candy pie, I say) and how glad I am it will grow back (so I can bite it again) when he looks at me like, wft. I say, "yes, I bit your nose, and I'd do it again", and then I do it again, never fails to get a laugh if he's in the mood (I can usually tell when that is). Who would think to bite someones nose off like that?
Love
Bette

_________________
All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

Bette,

Well the nose was quite the focal point(think wicked witch of the west)


I wish it could have gone the whole "Sugar candy Pie" route with "Sheriff Evil" I would have preferred that.In truth it was quite repulsive (I won't go into detail).

_________________
Shut up and meditate

Well, you can try it next time if you think of it.
Love
Bette

_________________
All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.