Read the thread you just posted in, and this thread:

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The answers are already there. :)

I've been looking for this quote (or one like it) "everywhere", thanks ss for bringing this thread up, and Martin for posting the quote, and Al for saying it. ;)
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

Ah thank you. The answer was what I thought it would be.

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I eat ego's for breakfast!
Sincerely, Ego.

I had planned to put this in Wud I say but this thread seems more appropriate. This was sent to me by my friend Tom Murasso, not sure of the original author. Enjoy:

Being a veterinarian, I had been called to examine a ten-year-old Irish Wolfhound named Belker. The dog's owners, Ron, his wife Lisa, and their little boy Shane, were all very attached to Belker, and they were hoping for a miracle.

I examined Belker and found he was dying of cancer. I told the family we couldn't do anything for Belker, and offered to perform the euthanasia procedure for the old dog in their home.

As we made arrangements, Ron and Lisa told me they thought it would be good for six-year-old Shane to observe the procedure. They felt as though Shane might learn something from the experience.

The next day, I felt the familiar catch in my throat as Belker's family surrounded him. Shane seemed so calm, petting the old dog for the last time, that I wondered if he understood what was going on. Within a few minutes, Belker slipped peacefully away.

The little boy seemed to accept Belker's transition without any difficulty or confusion. We sat together for a while after Belker's Death, wondering aloud about the sad fact that animal lives are shorter than human lives. Shane, who had been listening quietly, piped up, 'I know why.'

Startled, we all turned to him. What came out of his mouth next stunned me. I'd never heard a more comforting explanation.

He said, 'People are born so that they can learn how to live a good life-- like loving everybody all the time and being nice, right?' The Six-year-old continued, 'Well, dogs already know how to do that, so they don't have to stay as long.'

Live simply.
Love generously.
Care deeply.
Speak kindly.

Remember, if a dog was the teacher you would learn things like:

When loved ones come home, always run to greet them.

Never pass up the opportunity to go for a joyride.

Allow the experience of fresh air and the wind in your face
to be pure Ecstasy.

Take naps.

Stretch before rising.

Run, romp, and play daily.

Thrive on attention and let people touch you.

Avoid biting when a simple growl will do.

On warm days, stop to lie on your back on the grass.

On hot days, drink lots of water and lie under a shady
tree.

When you're happy, dance around and wag your entire body.

Delight in the simple joy of a long walk.

Be loyal.

Never pretend to be something you're not.

If what you want lies buried, dig until you find it.

When someone is having a bad day, be silent, sit close by, and nuzzle them gently.

ENJOY EVERY MOMENT OF EVERY DAY!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=H17edn_RZoY

That was a beautiful story Lynda... Thanks for posting it.

-cole

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Never live so certainly as to confuse your own convictions with what is true.

I concur Cole, thank you Lynda.

Okay, so answer this will ya (please). It seems like we should avoid eating anything that contains consciousness, and even clams have some, so what do we do now? Is it that obvious? Don't eat anything that holds consciousness for this experience in PMR, unless if flies into your mouth (a volunteer?)?
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

I would argue that plants have consciousness and eating a strawberry is the same as eating a cow.

Right, so you would starve if the "right way to be" was to not eat anything with consciousness. Luckily though plants while very able to be affected by our touch and thoughts, and very able to love us back by growing food and beauty at us, are not conscious beings. They do not have consciousness that is evolving in them like a clam or a butterfly as I understand how it works. Of course I'm not a vegetarian because I love things with consciousness so much, no it is because I hate vegetables and want them to die, in the rain so I can eat them clean. That was a joke, I'm not a vegetarian yet and hate is the only thing I hate.
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

My statement is based on what I learned from watching Lynne McTaggart on CMN discuss the experiments performed by Cleve Baxter and others, are you familiar with them?

I listened to that whole audio book Will posted, Bringers of the Dawn and this very notion is mentioned. If you raise the pigs lovingly, and slaughter them lovingly, then they are lovingly here to lovingly provide bacon to go with your eggs that you stole from those chickens.

Is that harsh? I was raised in a meat and potatoes household and still live within that framework. My sister is mostly a vegetarian. I just don't think it's for me.

From Ingo Swann's autobiography, Cleve Backster

Edit: Correct spelling of name.

Thank you! What is the correct spelling of his last name? I don't know if I've ever seen it written or only heard it pronounced? Could it be "Backster"?

Edit: Thank you again for the correct spelling of his last name. Am I anal? :)

How can you eat consciousness? Consciousness is nonphysical. Whatever you eat, consciousness stays in NPMR. Eat with no remorse, don't drink and drive.

Clau

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"Every moment can be as good as you want it to be."
"Experience is the ultimate teacher."

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I believe it would be the killing of the VR being that consciousness was using, thereby breaking the stream that I am referring to. I don't drink and drive, I am a non adult beverage drinker. I was making a point too, probably, that plants don't have consciousness, are not suitcases for consciousness, like that. What's your favorite meal Claudio, if you could have anything for your favorite meal of the day, what would you have? How can you eat consciousness? What a weird question, isn't it? :)
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

How can one say that a plant doesn't "have consciousness"? I've heard Tom mention that by his definition- plants aren't "sentient" meaning they don't make conscious/"rational" decisions, but this doesn't in any sense mean that a plant doesn't host a radically unrecognizable (by our standards) form of consciousness. Remember what Tom says in the books, "Consciousness just Is. Awareness is what varies from extremely dim to incredibly bright." (That is a paraphrase, but I can look up the actual quote I'm referring to if need be.) Plants definitely respond to their environment, so I think we can reasonably say that a plant is conscious to an extent of the environment within which it grows... Isn't a plant just as much a chip off the ol' AUM block as any of us?

:)

-Cole

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Never live so certainly as to confuse your own convictions with what is true.

Cole,

Plants respond to their environment but as not having a central 'ganglion', nerve cells and a distributed neural network, they do not make decisions. Their response is physiological and not neurological and 'free will' based. Plants are living things but not conscious things in the normal sense. They wilt from loss of water if the day is too hot and dry. Their flower heads tend to track the sun by physiological processes. Something as I vaguely remember related to the relative filling of cells with water and loss of water, creating a bending of the flower stalk as the day progresses and the direction of the sun changes. Experiments are done in which plants 'grow better' if they are taken care of properly and 'good thoughts' are directed to them. If control plants are treated equally well in terms of growing conditions but not 'thought at' with good intentions, they supposedly grow less well. But this is the result of the Intent of the conscious experimenter in a virtual reality. It does not say that the plant has a consciousness that is sensing the thoughts of the experimenter and responding to it.

A neural network in the PMR VR, homologous to our digital neural network as it would exist within our IUOC that is in Consciousness Space and 'having' this VR experience, is the criteria for a degree of consciousness. This is my understanding, subject to Tom stepping in and explaining something that I am not aware of.

Ted