I came across this lectures not long ago and wanted to see what you guys think...

The website is :http://www.pathwork.org/lecturesObtainingUnedited.html

The actual lecture is this one:
http://www.pathwork.org/lectures/unedited/044.PDF

The metaphor "Love" as it is used here in regards to MBT is as the opposite of Fear. Sex really has nothing to do with it. You do know about all the different Greek meanings for the metaphor "love" such as the "eros" in this doc don't you?
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

In my opinion, any lecture about love that does'nt speak of FEAR is incomplete. You CANNOT fully understand love without understanding the relationship between LOVE and FEAR.

It is similar to the relationship between light and darkness or hot and cold. That is, OPPOSITE. The more there is of one, the less there is of the other. (the more light, the less darkness, the more heat, the less cold). But how could we understand "heat" without "cold"? How could we describe "light" without "darkness"? Fear will PREVENT us from experiencing LOVE. The more FEAR (high entropy) the less LOVE (low entropy).
LOVE is the best way to describe a highly evolved (spiritually), LOW entropy being, and all spiritual growth moves us in the direction of "BECOMING LOVE".

FEAR is one way to describe spiritual devolution. Moving in the direction of FEAR is the OPPOSITE of spiritual progress.

I sometimes use the expression "Fight or FLight" to describe it. It expresses itself mostly at the "BEING" (or "instinctive") level, and less so at the conscious level. If you find yourself in a situation where danger is present, there is a choice to make. The choice is only one of two actions, fight or flee. There is only a limited amount of time to choose. If I think only of my self, and my OWN safety the easy choice is to run. But what if there are other innocents in the path of the "danger"? I could save myself but others might suffer or even die. Many times we will choose the easy or seemingly obvious choice, and regret it later, especially if someone we love gets injured as a result of our actions, inaction or fear. Times up. Not making a choice is STILL an action, and not taking action is STILL a choice. There are NO neutral parties.

And in order to understand FEAR and its relationship to LOVE you must understand the relationship between FEAR, EGO and selfishness. These relationships are more important than EROS and SEX in relationship to LOVE. Once we understand the relationships between fear, ego and selfishness, we can better undertstand our opinions and beliefs about sex, and eros, and how we view relationships in general.

Albert Einstein has been attributed with saying "The most important decision we make is whether we believe we live in a friendly or hostile universe."

Tom explains LOVE vs FEAR and the relationships between LOVE, FEAR, EGO and selfishness in his book MBT (as well as in numerous video lectures and seminars). He is (in my opinion) 100% correct in his analysis of these relationships. They are NOT new ideas, and he is not alone in his views. Mystics throughout history have been expressing similar concepts.

The struggle between LOVE and FEAR has been going on since the beginning. We tell stories and sing songs of "heroes" that passed the test, and "villains" who have failed. All the worlds "great" religions, at their core, tell us ways to overcome fear and become LOVE.

The more I consider these things the more I feel that there is only ONE consciousness, of which I am a small part, and there is only ONE choice, LOVE or FEAR.

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LOVE is the answer

peace
patrick

Not really, I went to this guy that works with auras and he gave me that to read... I am still trying to make sense of it.
He said my lower 3 chakras were closed... whatever that means.

I am right now trying to fix myself and see what is wrong with me that's all so I am doing a lot of research but it is getting overwhelming.

I do understand that is order for us to know love we must know also the opposite (fear). same with hot or cold etc...

So, knowing that I still have a problem trying to put it in practical daily life...

I don't know... I guess I will just wait and see what life has for me... I do consider myself a person that knows love and knows how to give it. I just found a really difficult person to share it with...

There is nothing wrong with you NAM101 you are exactly where you need to be making inquiries and learning. <3
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

There is only one kind of love, UNCONDITIONAL. anything else is NOT LOVE.

Unconditional - means NOT having any expectations of recieving anything in return.

If you expect something in return it is a kind of trade, and it may be fun, it may be nice, and it may be satisfying, ...but it is not LOVE.

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LOVE is the answer

peace
patrick

Daing! I hope you were not screaming at me when you typed this! haha

Well, around 2005 when I started experiencing weird things in my life I decided that part of my development was going to be on truely showing unconditional love to mankind ..... I think I have been doing very well over all .... but this one is for sure a test... what about being taken advantage... I guess the question is , what about boundaries?

Thanks Bette.

NAM101,

The fundamental concept of MBT in terms of interactions is that the free will of everyone be optimized. That means that if someone is being taken advantage of, that is not a suitable interaction and should be avoided. If someone is being taken advantage of and you are in the position to protect them, then you should even if it clearly reduces the free will of the one taking the advantage. That is why I said optimized free will. What boundaries are set are based upon whatever is needed to maintain free will. If you cannot fully trust someone, then there must be boundaries that provide necessary protection. In full trust, if it comes to exist, there may essentially be no need for boundaries. There are actual boundaries in terms of the nature of our existence which cannot be eliminated in any case.

I am curious. What were you given to read by this 'aura reader'? Remember that chakras are metaphors and that there are different systems with different numbers of primary chakras and of course difference in secondary chakras. They are symbols and not primary to reality. If they were basic to reality, there would not be different numbers in different systems. There could be clear agreement.

Ted

NAM101, you should really try to meditate and bring more and more present awareness in your life.

Thing is, all the masters of low entropy, when they act on unconditional love, those actions are the fruits of firsthand experience, not so much intellectualization.

Yesterday I just had a split second taste of the absolute present moment and I can tell you that that split second was mind blowing. It felt like my consciousness was an empty mug under a limitless waterfall of love. To use the word, "overflowing," would be a serious understatement (felt like winning the lottery, falling in true love, and repeated full body orgasms all rolled into one mind blowing experience that's fresh every nanosecond)

The effects lasted for a few minutes. I am struggling to get there again but that's not the point, lol! The point is that it was so amazing that I needed nothing but had everything to share (tryin to keep this short lol), but that's how it's done. Get started girl! You won't regret it, even if it takes years. It's worth it.

I almost didnt post it. I was looking at the screen for a good 10 minutes thinking whether I should post it or not. And I know it might seem harsh (and I knew it was a little stern) but I was definately NOT screaming.

This is a sensitive subject and I dont mean to be hurtfull, but I was trying to tell you the truth as I see it. There is a certain amount of sadness involved in LOVE. Whether it is a special someone, a lifemate, family member, or loving the human race. But it really gets tricky when sex is involved. It becomes personal.

I have noticed a pattern in MY life where my ability to love unconditionally is directly proportionate to my ability to keep my pants on. Im not a prude, and Im not against sex (between 2 consenting adults) But I noticed that as I got older I was less eager to rush in "where angels fear to tread". Having had a couple of heart breaking experiences of my own over the years.

None of us here do it (love) perfectly, and we are all learning the lessons, same as you. The hard way. Broken bones and broken hearts. broken promises and broken dreams. But we cant give up. We have to know that there are possibilities available to us that we may not be aware of yet.

And My philosophy is that if you havent had a broken heart, then you havent really LIVED. Hearts were MADE to be broken. Dont be afraid to LOVE again just because you've had a bad experience. Its always worth the risk. If you love someone set them free (never put chains around their ankles because if you do they will break free any chance they get). If someone turns out to betray your trust you are free to move on as well. Sometimes relationships are only meant to last a little while. I have learned some important lessons for life from some short relationships.

Its okay to have boundaries. In fact I recomend it. And it is up to you to establish them.

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LOVE is the answer

peace
patrick

Sorry ted, got a little busy...
What I was giving to read was the link I pasted above ( http://www.pathwork.org/lecturesObtainingUnedited.html ) ... from the pathwork group and he said to read these lectures:

#204 The path
#14 Lower self , higher self and the mask (which I haven't read yet)
#44 Forces of Love, Eros and sex. (this one he said in particular)

Thank you!
I will take all these advice in consideration, although I am still confused since it is hard to know which advice is the right one for my predicament, but I will figure it out.