pgtrue, that put things in a different light. If we already are OUT.
bette, thanks for the welcome.
specialis_sapientia, thanks for the details. I stuck to one line: "They are fundamentally very similar."
To me that seems that LDs and OBEs in fact are regarded as different, even if the difference is small?
I've tried to collect info on this LD - OBE issue, and here are some of my finding:
Here is a video with Buhlman. Listen to the 3 minutes around 38:15 - 41:15.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5v0SNa68gKw
Buhlman says that LD and OBE are connected to each other, but they are
not the same. Though, an LD can be upgraded to an OBE.
OBE, you are hovering a few inches from your physical body.
And here Robert Waggoner, author of Lucid Dreaming
on the subject of LD is not OBE:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DuyDBH_6 ... re=related
Somewhere around 1:25, Waggoner even makes a reference to Monroe on this issue.
Robert Peterson also thinks that LDs are different from OBEs, see the table:http://www.robertpeterson.org/obe-vs-lucid.html
I've also found document on the internet from other, like LaBerge and Scott Rogo, who indicates
that OBEs are different phenomena than LDs. I'll spare you from the details unless someone asks
me explicitly about the URL links.
Monroe made one interesting indication in a radio interview. Monroe is asked if LDs can be used
as springboards to do OBEs:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3_FhfHoq ... re=related
Interestingly enough Monroe said that LDs are equivalent to F 15.
Listen to the interview around 1:00 - 1:35.
So it is interesting for me to know how much different LDs are from OBEs (if they are different?)
and Campbell's view on this matter, too. I've tried for more than a year to OBE and have had very little
success, except for very brief OBEs, which quickly have turned into semi-lucid dreams. So the
question for me is if I should try to continue OBE attempts or go for more LDs?
Also, when I LD, I soon wake up, or I lose lucidity, so LDs don't seem to be a good way either.
I mostly wonder how big the difference are between LD and OBE (if different at all)?