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PostPosted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 4:00 pm 
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Okay, thanks Patrick. :)
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I think states of consciousness are personal and subjective. The Monroe Institute has based all of their structure of the states of consciousness on what Bob Monroe developed. You can use that structure as a tool if it is useful to you. But just know that there is nothing fundamental about them.


Interesting to read this.

I've always suspected the Monroe Institute's perspective wasn't fundamental, so I decided to learn more. I joined their email list which recently announced their latest research effort, Spatial Angle Modulation. This effort is in association with Stuart Hameroff. I've read some of Hameroff's stuff but wasn't clear on it, so I took the opportunity to read the Monroe pointers to his work.

Upon closer reading it's plainly not fundamental, even though it's fair enough to say it's a 'new frontier in brain/mind science', as Hameroff asserts on his site.


I saw that on the TMI emailing too, RBM, and have to admit I was a little disappointed that they should be going down that road. From what I read in the mailing, it's a materialist, PMR view of the origin of consciousness. If I read it right also, they are planning some sort of associated gadgetry. Wonder what RAM himself would have made of it.

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My problem with TMI is that they still seem to be searching for a model of reality when the best one is in a book being sold in their gift shop. They keep searching in people and other models with only a little picture view.


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There is probably the mistaken belief that you have to provide special knowledge and tools to make a living from helping provide the "experience" to others with some physical "thing" rather than Tom's model which provides information freely only requiring personal experience. I think those charging a lot to help people get the experience part would do better to drop all the fluff, and concentrate on a more pure experience like Tom gives at his workshops where you leave prepared to do it on your own. I think you can make a living for yourself and others by providing a cool place to meet for people that like doing their practicing with others without all the dogma that the places now organized to help people open up seem to require one to buy into. It seems like people would go to that place more than one place organized around a small view of Reality.
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Arthur wrote:
RBM wrote:
Sainbury wrote:
I think states of consciousness are personal and subjective. The Monroe Institute has based all of their structure of the states of consciousness on what Bob Monroe developed. You can use that structure as a tool if it is useful to you. But just know that there is nothing fundamental about them.


Interesting to read this.

I've always suspected the Monroe Institute's perspective wasn't fundamental, so I decided to learn more. I joined their email list which recently announced their latest research effort, Spatial Angle Modulation. This effort is in association with Stuart Hameroff. I've read some of Hameroff's stuff but wasn't clear on it, so I took the opportunity to read the Monroe pointers to his work.

Upon closer reading it's plainly not fundamental, even though it's fair enough to say it's a 'new frontier in brain/mind science', as Hameroff asserts on his site.


I saw that on the TMI emailing too, RBM, and have to admit I was a little disappointed that they should be going down that road. From what I read in the mailing, it's a materialist, PMR view of the origin of consciousness. If I read it right also, they are planning some sort of associated gadgetry. Wonder what RAM himself would have made of it.

Arthur


Are you still on the TMI email list, Arthur ?

I'm no longer on it and was trying to track some info related to their association with Hameroff and the development of the Spatial Angle Modulation technology. Google has come up empty for me, so far :-)


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