I am not certain of my position on this, so maybe lets ping pong this a bit more.

I think the notion of self centeredness being negative is a PMR-centric notion.

In the very big picture, the IUOC moves from a state of individuation, with no organization or efficiency, and that initial state is chaotic, confused, and mostly, obsessed with self and blind to its connection to others....bump focused, sheet blind

So, sociopathology is merely a pure manifestation of this completely green IUOC nature combined with sensor platform DNA nature combined with environmental nurture elements that do not mitigate this natural state with values.

For the life cycle of the IUOC, they do not start out in the middle and drift positive or negative, they start out with absolute entropy

From a PMR perspective, given that all FWAU humans are animated by IUOCs from the complete range of Quality, if may appear that people start out in the middle and drift, but I would argue that this is an illusion, according to MBTOE.

Like the Boston marathon, the vast magority of IUOCs over eternity and FWAUs over a life, move from the start to the finish due to the accumulative impact of experience and feedback - occasionally someone falls or starts running in the wrong direction, but I believe this is rare under the model.

PMR-wise, children start out extremely selfish, with virtually no effectiveness - as they age, their capacity to generate action and results to reflect their quality increases, while at the same time their intent connection to their IUOC quality becomes more efficient, and then begins the slow process of growing QoC - or rarely, not

this is my mental mapping of this...which I am eager to improve

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Also keep in mind that Tom has described that not all new IUOCs develop from randomness within their digital being. There are those with 'many parents' in effect where a group of IUOCs contribute various aspects of their being as a model for starting points. This must all be integrated by the new IUOC over time, but it is far from shaping bricks without straw from just raw clay or unbaked mud. Tom has never indicated that he has any statistics on the origin for new IUOCs so we really have no idea where their typical 'design' which is not really a design but at best a model, arises. Considering the vastness of AUM, how would we really ever find out such statistics and details throughout the whole of Consciousness Space. A common way of creating new IUOCs is not sought as we understand things. That is part of exploring all options and going with what works well. Live gracefully with uncertainty.

Ted

at the FWAU level, I believe we go through 3 births.

1) there is the physical birth, which launches our sensor platform and R-complex inner reptilian juices, and the sensor platform is entrained to its environment through interaction and refined through sport and competition

system programming errors, DNA evolutionary processes or environmental factors may cause an non-conventional sensor platform, and supporting that FWAU becomes the sacred work and core purpose of the human ecology attached to that FWAU - families that are not blessed with this challenge, should expand their net until they find a challenged FWAU, nearby in their environment, to help support, in some way, in order to reap deep positive feedback (cousin, nieghbour's kid....)

2) there is the mental birth, which launches our frontal cortex executive functions, planning/analysis - the capacity of short term pain for long term gain...this kicks in in late infancy, and is trained and refined by formal schooling

the prisons, street gangs and maternal basements are populated by young persons who have not yet achieved this mental level birth, either due to biological limitations, nurture level misdirection, or personal intent

3) there is the soul birth, which launches the allegorical right hemisphere functions of aesthetics, creativity, non-linear thinking, empathy, PSI, humor - often emerging in late teens

persons stuck at the mental birth humorlessly hold civilization together from their top floor corner offices as head of Physics departments, leaders of fundamentalist movements, prison guards, cops, accountants, bankers,..(not that there is anything wrong with that)

Soooo....when an evangelical says "they have been born again"....if they structured their intent correctly...they have established an Intent at the fundamental level to live their life differently, more at the soul/IUOC/QoC/Intent level, less at the mental or primal level - of course, at first, this is a humorous (but cute) pantomime of quality

A TOEist version of setting up this intent could be something along these lines...

You are apparently alone in a room.

Hello? Hello? Is anyone there?

Gosh I feel like an idiot doing this. How long till CSI starts?

ok. ok. Get a grip.

I am so screwed up and confused, I think I would like to try this MBTOE crap, and get to know my so called IUOC better.

A) I commit to trying to listen for intent, when making decisions, just in case this crap about me actually being an eternal IUOC is true.

B) I commit to trying to follow through on my decisions, and become a person of discipline, a master of my impulses (except on Saturday evenings)

C) I commit to trying to pay attention to, think about and feel the consequences of my actions on others, and this especially includes the furry ones or anyone who's decision space I partially control

D) I will develop my own personal mental level ruleset (values), to structure my decision making process going forward, based on feedback from previous intent->decisions->actions->results->feedback

I would be as dramatic as possible in your presentation to intensify your intent. Like, (alone) naked in the woods, prostrate, and then let off fireworks or something or burn your television. Give them (in NPMR) a good show.

this sort of approach might only be appealing to a very limited group of people, and I post it mostly for my own entertainment. ; - )

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