I haven't had a particularly difficult life, but let's say that I did. Let's say that my life experience was so bad that I decided to drop out of Earth School.

The question is... now what? Do I look for another virtual reality school that may be more suited to my tastes? Or do I float around NPMR, carrying the "mark of shame" of being a dropout until AUM finally kicks me out with only $20 and a bus ticket?

I read in one of William Buhlman's books that many residents of NPMR are afraid of enrolling in Earth School. They seem to regard it as an intense simulator where the human experience is dangerously addictive. (Sounds similar to Tom and Monroe's take on things.) At any rate, he found that some NPMR residents choose to experience "denser" areas of NPMR instead.

And while I'm thinking about PMRs, do they all essentially serve the same purpose (to learn to become love)? What are other PMRs like, anyway? Earth-like or wildly different?

TOM:
Suicides, such as the one you describe, are not just a re-boot that gets you back to where you started last time -- it is more like a hard crash that hangs your computer and forces a reboot when you haven't saved for a long time. They are destructive in the big picture as well as in the little picture -- it represents a very high entropy termination that makes future success more difficult -- A barrier created that now has to be surmounted -- a hole that you dig for yourself that you now have to climb out of. One has to restart from where one left off, not from where one began. If you end an experience packet with high entropy, you create a difficult transition and you start the next one with that higher entropy as a burden -- you have to keep whatever you earn -- evolution or de-evolution. Having failed once makes it easier to fail again.
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Tom describes other PMRs as having wide variety as you might expect. Some are more constrained than earth and some less. The ones with less laws and rules are more akin to the "wild west" where everyone is out for themselves. He has also described those consciousness that do not incarnate. He describes that existence as very limiting and pretty boring.

There are positive addiction, it is just the negative ones put us in a focus of despair, one of which some of us do not make it out of. As far as not coming back because of that ,i do not know, i would think once we know there is a way to balance those negative emotions with positive ones, we would choose to come back and try to game the system with a positive intent to do so. No doubt PMR is addictive, and Bob Monroe says that is why we keep coming back. I personally almost did not make it out of some deep dark holes, but i finally found ways of balancing the negative feedback into positive states. As far as other PMR, Tom does not go into detail other than to say they are similar, with different rule-sets. As far as lowering entropy that is the point, just because you go backwards for a while in PMR, does not seem to me to be a good reason to wimp out. I prefer to face all of these PMR fears, as to lower my entropy and pass it on to the other players, that there is a way out, into lower states of entropy. Sabby

Hi everyone,

I probably should have been more clear.

By "dropping out," I don't mean suicide. I mean completing a life and getting to the point where you (IUOC you, not FWAU you) must decide the terms of your next reincarnation.

What would happen if you, say, decide NOT to reincarnate back into the Earth School? It would seem to me that once enrolled, it is expected that one would work on graduating. Does dropping out carry the same negative connotations that it does within this PMR? Would one be encouraged by the authorities to re-enroll in Earth School?

What would be pushed first is that you engage in some expedited development program as within a PMR, not necessarily this one. Other than that, it would be an individual matter based upon the individual, past experience and your guidance. If they thought that you were just being lazy, they will push a return more strongly. If you can convince them otherwise, as in a wider range of experience, they are less likely to give you trouble about it. Be careful that you don't end up somewhere that would be more trouble than here because of not being experienced there. They will think in terms of maximum return, wherever it is believed that you can achieve that. At least so would be my understanding. It would of course be between you and your 'committee'. There is after all potentially a lot of variation.

Ted

yep freedom is everyones right

On the subject of suicide.

There are animals that have "self-destruct" instincts, for example mice that can die of fear. There are probably evolutionary benefits of these instincts. For example, while being chased, one mouse dies to so that the predator becomes distracted. (Suicide-bombers are sort of human version of this.)

Humans have instant self-destruct instincts too; for example with neck, head or heart injuries. The evolutionary reasoning behind this could be to spare the individual from pain and to prevent him from calling for help, thus saving the tribe from wasting efforts trying to save him.

I don't think there is a clear right or wrong, but it goes to the core of the moral dilemma.

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Johan

Most likely, if you were at the point of graduating from this system, you probably wouldn't go into another system just because of a difficult earth life or many here previously.

I have some experience with the above, but don't remember too much consciously. All I know, is that I had a couple of inphysical selves get to translate out of this system of physical data stream, and hang out in others. More physically or metaphorically, they got to go on a spaceship with some pretty intune non human beings, didn't come back to earth, and they learned how to phase their "physical" energies into "nonphysical" and back. Entering, leaving, coming back from different data streams I guess some here might label it.

Then, I also had a couple of selves who "died" and nonphysically got refocused in other systems for a bit (like the one connected to the Star Arcturus), but we/i came back here because of service impulses, and perhaps a sense of loyalty to the cause here.

Regarding what other systems are like, from little I do remember or have experienced, one there is a great variety of different expression and many, many different systems, and two, in at least more expanded/evolved systems it can just be described as much more harmonious than the Earth system. When I was little, I use to have dreams of being on a spaceship, traveling vast distances and coming back to Earth and the mood was very purposeful and intent, like I was on a mission of some kind.

Ultimately, it doesn't seem to matter too much where you are or where you go, it's all, fundamentally, about love and service, and this system is a great one to practice choosing and attuning to love. For me, other systems have been almost like a vacation or rest, similar to how many feel when they "die" and fully focus in the nonphysical that's still connected to the Earth system. Nice, rejuvenating but ultimately a bit boring. Ok, a bit more interesting because of how many different kinds and types of consciousnesses you become aware of.

But since things are in the process of getting cleaned up here in the more long term and stable sense (finally!), I feel and have been told in various ways that I can move on from here more permanently and not feel such a draw to come back in this manner at all anymore Yet, since my wife and Twin Soul will still be here for another human lifetime or two, and there is a difficult war coming in a few hundred years or so, apparently I will make some brief non human appearances temporarily (according to one of her dreams wherein she recognized an "E.T." to be me, in a future life of hers).

Fascinating, LS. Sabby