I'm working through the trilogy, and I am a skeptic. No more so for TOE than for any number of organized religions, groups, that profess to have found 'the way'.

Is is possible for anyone to experience the OBE ? An opportunity and experience like Tom Cambell's is not the norm. Is this reserved for a select few? Maybe only a few that are higher up on the learning curve, or that have experienced >n(lifetimes) are allowed?

Will HemiSync tapes give you a jump start ? Or do you have to 'believe' and sacrafice all to do the hard work required?

HemiSync ??? ... why is a delta freq. of 10Hz the magic number? could some people resonate at 11 hz? I started with the beginner tape and must admit there has been an effect. Mostly nightmares and dreaming that is new to my experience. I'm thinking about creating a 9 hz and 11 hz tape and giving that a go.

I have looked through the topics and feedback and it seem everyone here is at a higher awareness level than us mere mortals! (not to mention very smart)

New to this but trying to understand, :D
Mark

Mark,

Hello and welcome to the forums!

As you've probably already found out, open-minded skepticism is a requirement for any investigation into unknown territory. Any idea or theory which breaks new ground is likely to require the overturning of assumptions and beliefs, so open-mindedness is required or one would never be able to see beyond what was known previously. But, in order to make sure such ideas aren't just someone else's beliefs or short-sightedness, one needs skepticism to sort it all out.

Is MBT 'the way'? I wouldn't think so. Formally, it is a theory - just like Relativity, QM, String Theory, etc. Well, not just like them; but you get the idea, right? In fact, early on, I believe Tom mentions that MBT is not 'the way'. It is a description of reality (the whole thing - no, really) without leaving loopholes, paradoxes, or absolutes - science, philosophy, and metaphysics is quite a wide range of subjects to unify.

"Is is possible for anyone to experience the OBE ? An opportunity and experience like Tom Cambell's is not the norm. Is this reserved for a select few? Maybe only a few that are higher up on the learning curve, or that have experienced >n(lifetimes) are allowed? "

Yes, no, perhaps/no

The results are based on you - your intent, the quality of your consciousness, and the courage to do it (to pull yourself up by your bootstraps, as Tom would say). Everyone has the potential, though.

"Will HemiSync tapes give you a jump start ? Or do you have to 'believe' and sacrafice all to do the hard work required? "

It may help you, or it may not. Since you have the tapes, why not experiment and see if you get better results with them or with just plain old-fashioned meditation? I'm not sure if there's such a thing as a 'jump start', but perhaps there is. While results (in my experience) come from immense effort, I have not had to sacrifice anything but a few beliefs, some bad habits, and a bit of ego - and good riddance! You do not have to believe in anything to succeed (believing in less is how my progress comes), except to believe in yourself and in your ability to be more than you are now.

I wish you well on your reading and experimentation. Just remember to stop and smell the roses every so often.

-Moji

Thanks for the feedback!
I like the 'yes,no,perhaps/no'

Mark

Mark,

Moji said it all and said it very well (thanks Moji) -- so I have just a little to add.

Skepticism is not a problem, it is an essential ingredient. You don't have to believe but you do have to do the hard work of learning and growing — which for the most part means challenging and then jettisoning belief thus allowing you to be aware of the whole you .

Hemisync is just one of many on-ramps. It appeals to some because of its simplicity and effectiveness of inducing altered states. It is just an on-ramp, it won't take you very far. No technology can make you grow up or discard your beliefs. There is nothing magic about 10 Hz. That is an alpha brainwave state — good for relaxation and letting go, which is step 1. There is no resonance in an alpha state — only mellowness. The resonance state associated with OOBE is at slightly less than 4 Hz. Experiment! Have patience, change comes in tiny increments not great leaps — it’s a life’s work. Everybody has the potential to go where I have gone and beyond — the potential is universal, the learning rate is individual.

Everyone must start from wherever they are and pull themselves up by their own bootstraps one tiny increment at a time. Wandering about at the station looking for the express train that will zip you quickly to your imagined destination will leave you waiting and wandering unproductively at the station forever. Don't be intimidated or discouraged by making comparisons of yourself to others — that’s an artifact of ego, a belief that growing up is just too hard, available only to the chosen few — that perspective is a trap that needs to be avoided.

Make your way through MBT slowly, taking many thoughtful pauses as you go. Learning and growing is not primarily an intellectual process. And of course — have fun on your journey, settle in for a lifetime of growing — you are exploring a new world, not on a scavenger hunt.

Tom

Thanks Tom,

Lately I have noticed, having asked the question, the answer seems to reveal itself soon after. In this case I just read the book! (I'm still on book 1 .. I'm a slow reader)

Coast to Coast led me to these books, but before that, the question was out there. It is hard to explain, but something is going on.

It made me think of my fundamentalist sister who trusts that her needs will always be met. She trusts and believes. I thought she was nuts. Curious, I don't think that anymore. It is just the definition of the Source perhaps. Fascinating stuff.

Thanks again,
Mark

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HemiSync ??? ... why is a delta freq. of 10Hz the magic number? could some people resonate at 11 hz? I started with the beginner tape and must admit there has been an effect. Mostly nightmares and dreaming that is new to my experience. I'm thinking about creating a 9 hz and 11 hz tape and giving that a go.[/quote]
Mark,

Are you sure about those frequencies? Delta is a much lower range, and 9-11Hz seems to be in the alpha/awake range.

Double check on your frequencies. I've been thinking that something in the 4Hz range was a good target, but then I'm sort of making this up as I go along.

Good point daka,

I inadvertently ignored that 10Hz comment in my earlier reply.

There is no magic vibration, magic pill, or magic words of wisdom. You get to where you want to go by the hard steady work required to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. Everybody is unique and on a unique path -- some paths are more or less efficient, but all paths have the ability to eventually get you to where you want to go.

However, many people experience a noticeable vibration while in a particular altered state of consciousness where the dominant brainwave is in the theta region near 4Hz. Binaural beats at about 4 Hz entrain the brainwaves to a theta state that is particularly useful for all sorts of paranormal activity (e.g., OOBE, communicating telepathically, healing, remote viewing, traveling in NPMR, etc). That is why there is such an interest in 4Hz binaural beats.

The 4 Hz beats may put you on the launch pad but you must make the trip under your own power. To actually get off the ground requires more than just getting to the launch pad. Again, as said elsewhere, it is not so much that you need to learn a new skill to launch, but that you have to unlearn old beliefs, ways of thinking, and attitudes. That takes some time and lots of sticktuitiveness.

Tom C