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PostPosted: Wed Sep 17, 2008 6:46 am 
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Hello Tom,
My Father passed away recently and have been on a search to find what answers are out there on the internet, and to say I am blown away would be an understatement. I started with Reincarnation with Brian Weiss and Michael Newton then onto NDE's with Dr Jeff Long, OBE's with Bulhman and Monroe, Science with 'What The Bleep' and Bruce Lipton not to mention countless other fill in studies. Now with Tom on youtube the icing has been layed!

I ask for a couple of simple answers for a couple of simple questions. Is everyones family in this life in your 'soul group' for life after life in the physical ? And this question may sound silly but knowing what you know are you 100% proof positive of life after the physical?
I am buying your first book tomorrow, I read slow but take things in just like a Tortoise on a holiday:)

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Peter:
Is everyones family in this life in your 'soul group' for life after life in the physical ?

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From my experience and understanding the (subjective) answer to that question would be 'no'. You may have family in this life that are a part of another 'soul group' than your own, which you won't share every physical incarnation with. Your 'soul group' is in a sense a 'truer' form of family than the physical one. Soul groups may cooperate too, to optimize/test/explore each players experience development by using each other frequently through incarnations - but I haven't been able to gather sufficient data to corroborate this theory thoroughly -- yet.

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Peter,

Sorry for the loss of your father. Your post reminded me of another here that dealt with some of those issues with some good replies from Tom and others. Read several posts down into it to start seeing some that might interest you.

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Peter,

The simple answer to your first question regarding everyone in your present family being in a long term relationship to you, life after live, as I interpret your question is no. Your biological parents in PMR have no parental relationship to you in Consciousness Reality whether you think of it as NPMR or as your higher self. Nor are your biological children in PMR in a parent to child relationship with you. You mutually agree to play these roles for mutual benefit and learning. This is in no way to denigrate those family and friendship relationships. Those relationships and interactions and what you learn from them, how you use them to develop the quality of your being, are the real reason for all of your life here in the Physical Matter Reality (PMR) virtual reality (VR).

There is no simple answer in regard to proving life after death, reincarnation or any of it. Here in PMR, the reality appears to be out there and what resides within your mind is a mystery and suspect. In the greater reality, what is in your mind, consciousness and The One Consciousness IS the reality. So presenting 'proof' here in PMR is subject to the willingness of the beholder to accept it as truth. The reality described by Tom in MBT is consistent with the reality reported by pre literate metaphysicians of ancient India, of other societies, Christian mystics and more, extending their concepts based on science and digital technology. But how many will accept this as proof? Then there is the evidence of shamans over the centuries, NDE's, ADC's, reincarnation research, etc. But again, how many are prepared to accept this as truth versus those adamant to explain it as meaningless, error, nonsense, etc.

If it is any comfort, try to patiently wait and you may well experience an after death contact with your father. Or not. Your father may choose otherwise. It will likely depend on what is best for you. But it happens. I asked my grandfather, deceased, if my grandmother would be leaving soon. He said he and my uncle, also deceased, would be there that night to escort her home and she indeed left that night. I was visited by my father after his death with a general message of everything is fine. I asked my father if my mother would be leaving soon but circumstances made me unsure when he said tonight. She died that morning and later gave me the general message of thanks for helping her. I asked my deceased sister for any input regarding caregiving for my mother earlier. She told me things that explained things I had not understood as a child when they occurred. But does this prove anything other than that I am some kind of nut? That would depend on who you asked.

Information is available within the MBT trilogy and these forums that will (or at least can) make clear to you how it all works. When you start to interact with the greater reality on your own, you will have the best 'proof' possible. Will you see it as proof is a matter of your experience and understanding. Whether you come to 'live it' or take it as an intellectual exercise. A lot depends upon whether your interest is in just knowing that your father is ok, waiting there for you or whatever or is it in really understanding Ultimate Reality/Consciousness/AUM.

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I feel for the loss you are feeling. In my humble opinion family is chosen by "us", and by us I mean individual units of consciousness (iuoc), and programed if you will, to be the best fit for the interactions required during the life experience. I believe in karma therefore it is required some iuoc come in for assured interaction, the package iuoc gets delivered to the programmed environment (family). In that sense then I think there is a connection specifically between your iuoc and you family members iuoc in our big picture. Since free will is such a big player in how things come down here in the physical material reality (PMR) to me there seems no better way to assure interaction than to be in the same family. Believing that i (my iuoc) picked the very interesting and lesson filled family i was delivered to helps me to give deeper meaning to the experiences it allowed. Believing in reincarnation in this way that also includes a concept of having to experience all ways to be human (this is a Bette concept not a MBT one) also helps in my understanding of why there is suffering and evil in the world.

I am at chapter 29 in book 2 as we speak, but have found so much that absolutely finds no disharmony in my thinking, it's amazing. I believe that we incarnate in groups, BIG groups, and that the WWW has allowed some of this group to find each other to exchange information packets. It's groovy.

Your Dad's fine, he is energy and energy is not created nor destroyed but continues, imho.

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My father passed away 3 and a half years ago and I was very philosophical about it all - which surprised me as I was very close to him and if he had passed just 2 years earlier, I would have been a quivering wreck!

I wrote this the same day I typed up some bits of a book he'd started to write, which was directed to me and my brother and sister.

"To Those Left Behind

Can you not close your ears and hear him?
Can you not close your eyes and see him?
Can you not close your mind and feel him?
Can you not open your heart and love him?


A Meditation to Connect

Sit down and get comfortable. Close your eyes, relax and breathe in - feel the air going into your lungs - quieten your mind.

Breathe out, saying the word ‘relax' to yourself in your mind. imagine your head and neck relaxing.

Repeat the breathing, in and out, relaxing all the parts of your body right down to your toes. Keep your mind still; concentrate only on the ‘now'.

In your mind's eye, take yourself to a place where you feel happy and relaxed, and maintain your deep breathing. In the distance you see a figure walking slowly towards you. You know who it is. You start to walk towards the figure, slowly. there is no rush. As you get closer, you can see their familiar gait, closer still and you can make out the details of their face. As you are almost together, you can see the twinkle in his eye - the same twinkle that you remember so well, the twinkle that you love so much. He is smiling and beckoning you. You feel feelings of great joy.

He holds out his arms, still smiling, his eyes still twinkling and you go to him and give him an almighty hug. Stay like this for as long as you need. You can feel his energy and his love enfolding you. It is a glorious experience.

When you feel ready, you step back and hold both his hands in yours. You talk to him about anything you wish to talk about and you listen carefully to his responses.

The time has come for you to leave. With one last hug and kiss, you say I Love You and farewell. You stay to watch him as he walks into the distance. You feel no pain as you know that you can see him like this whenever and wherever you wish.

When he has gone, open your eyes and ground yourself by wiggling your toes. Remain seated for as long as needed to feel fully grounded."

For me, it's a real visit to see my father - I always feel uplifted after seeing him - it's all the proof I need.

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Peter: I ask for a couple of simple answers for a couple of simple questions. Is everyones family in this life in your 'soul group' for life after life in the physical ? And this question may sound silly but knowing what you know are you 100% proof positive of life after the physical?

Tom: My condolences for your loss - death is a natural part of the learning and growing process. The answer to your first question is generally "no". Take a look at the thread Ramond pointed out - starting with a post by Lonnie -- about 9 posts from the top:
viewtopic.php?f=5&t=2586&start=0&st=0&sk=t&sd=a Lonnie had recently lost a son and had a very similar question.

The answer to your second question is "Yes" - death in the physical reality is a transition not an end. I am as sure of that as anyone can be sure of something that is inherently subjective. All the experience I have had and evidence I have collected supports that conclusion.

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My father died several years ago, and we were not close as he abused me when I was a child, long story. There was never closure on that abuse, he never admitted or said he was sorry. When he lay 3000 miles away in the hospital I called on the telephone as I was told he was going quick. All I could say to him was it's ok don't be afraid just go into the light, it's ok, everything is ok, don't be scared, etc. He was only able to say "thank you", then after I was off the phone with him he called my brother (another abuser of me in this life) and said quite strongly, I'm dying. Apparently I had tipped him off. He waited for the brother to get there as they lived together say good bye and leave, and then he passed. I was pissed for awhile that he could say thank you but not I'm sorry, all I ever wanted from him about that. That brother died 6 months later without a sorry or goodbye, but I never wanted a sorry from him.

I don't need to hear I'm sorry anymore as it was an expectation of mine, I've let it go. If I was able to visualize as Jane described I'm not really sure I'd want to see the version of his energy as my father, although if his iuoc desired to communicate to mine I guess it would be OK, I don't need it though. As Tom said what gets attention when out of here changes import so his iuoc and mine's interactions aren't something important.

Jane. I have always wondered what it would be like to have a dad like yours must have been, but then would have had that pain, the pain you and Peter are feeling and felt, so maybe it's best. It is beautiful what you can do to have your visit.

Not that this is anywhere near the feelings of a much loved dad or child, but at 4 pm today, one hour ago, I had to have my daughters cat she has had 10 years put to sleep. It was hard, but part of life, and we stayed with missy until her energy left, me staying more for my daughter.

I have never been able to visualize, it has been something sort of bothering me at least noticed for several decades now, I couldn't call up an image of an orange for anything although I can get an orange color. It is one of the things that has blocked my weak attempts at meditation or imagery therapy. All I ever see is just an dark black orange. Does most everyone have the ability to get actual pictures in their mind, or is it just a thought of the thing?

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Bette,

Can you use your imagination to see pictures? If I asked you to imagine a full grown giraffe eating tree leaves, or a whale spouting water, what would you experience?

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I don't see actual pictures, it is more a sense of a picture but feels a very real experience.

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Tom,
Nope, no pictures. All I see is the regular orange/dark brown color of closed eyes. I tried all sorts of things just now, your suggestions, my fathers face, brothers face, my daughter's face, the beautiful owl tattoo on her neck. It is just like I can recall all this life, no pictures. At times it is almost as if the basic shape of the thing has a slightly lighter orange outline but if I attend it's gone. Actually sitting here doing this I've noticed the closed eye color in my left eye is much darker than my right, and anything perceived is perceived in my right eye. Sitting here longer now, a moment longer anyway kicking back in my chair I'm back to perceiving both sides and the same dark brown orange but there are the same outline type lighter orange waves coming from out to in like it's trying to push together a shape mostly circular.

Even when I used to take LSD in 1974, 1975, & 1979 a lot the only time I saw something that was not there (this is just how I've always said it, it sounds funny now) was when I was 14, a runaway driving down Beach Blvd. on the way to putt around Balboa Harbor in a putt putt boat. I was passenger in a Corvair and the whine of the engine sounded like a police siren. I looked at the guy driving and said, "are they after us?", he told me there wasn't anybody there so I just kept looking at him and if he was calm I was ok. I could look back though and the black and white with lights and sirens was right on our tail, I could see it all except the officer had no face which did not hit me as weird at the time as I wasn't looking at that I was looking at the lights.

I've had the idea that my past drug use has damaged my neural system because I was playing with it activating this and that way exogenously for so long it might have something to do with lack of inner sight. I've been trying to have an inner body experience, this is the thought I have had since hearing your London lectures not too long ago, a month or so. I've studied it a bit in school and found support for my theory. If the garden idea didn't pop in I might have done my thesis on that, but this fit better now.

I am so looking forward to the last chapters on book and and then book three. I've decided to wait to finish the trilogy before starting the Monroe books I have in hand now. I'm waiting my thesis prospectus approval and have been very into MBT during the wait.

Thank you for your time, energy, and insight. I am a willing but lazy student at times, in meditation this is too true. I always have to parallel process and find two or more ways to use the energy put into anything I do. I can add a meditation aspect to the interaction between some group for that requirement, I suppose I'd have to add a meditation only group. That will allow (stay positive) a much more in depth statistical method having three or four groups that I will be required to know well enough to write about using statistical talk correctly. I can find a way to include meditation in my thesis, how I can do it will come. I'll make sure I find and post in a meditation discussion when I start making enough progress to have questions.
Thank you so much for everything Tom.

Jane
I'll get there, it'll be great because I've always missed being able to do it. I am starting to think of the dark color as a block or screen. I really need to finish MBT. Talk to you later Jane, and thank you.

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Bette,

OK. No pictures. But, other than pictures, -- forger entirely about pictures -- what do you experience If I asked you to imagine a full grown giraffe eating tree leaves, a whale spouting water, a cat licking milk from a bowel, a putt putt boat on the water -- what do you experience? Try it with other things as well -- feeling things as well as objects as well as things like walking up on that stage to receive your Ph.D., can you imagine that? how? -- this may not be as easy a question as it sounds -- what is the media of your imagination?

Jane says: I don't see actual pictures; it is more a sense of a picture but feels a very real experience. Can you relate to what Jane describes?


Past drug use may have produced some permanent brain damage but it may just may be your double X chromosomes. Females have a much harder time visualizing than males do -- but make up for it with an increased verbal acuity (endless chatter instead of endless pictures)

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I think I'm getting it now, understanding the difference of actually seeing a Polaroid shot rather then just having the experience. I have thought I couldn't do this for so long it will take some work to clear it, but I've started already with your and Jane's combined data packets :), those lovely data packets, thank you.

The putt putt boat experience got through the second time I read the above post of yours, Tom, I didn't notice it on the first read through. That to me is a great indication of something I need to work on harder, awareness. When I did see the words the feelings of that boat experience came over me in a wave of fun, danger (I was 14, a run away, with two adult men who were very nice since it was my first LSD experience, and my best friend), doing something new as water doesn't draw me even spending many growing up years near the ocean, (I've lived in the desert the past 30 moon years because I like this environment much better), and feeling alive with a connection to All even as the boat was being spun in a tight circle and one of the guys relieved himself standing up in the boat in the middle of Balboa Harbor. It was the rudest thing I have ever seen, still is, as this was basically all the houses front yard. With some work I know I could put myself there in feelings as I think this might be my optimal experience to do this with as there were many lessons learned there. There are many good feelings associated to try to bring in, or am I trying to bring them out? Wait, its coming to me, I am trying to call this experience up from my DNA. I write a question and an answer pops in, hopefully a good answer.

Tom your information has also effected my DNA by adding to it without changing its structure. I just made a post about my reincarnation experiment here viewtopic.php?f=14&t=2833&p=4496#p4496 or over in Reincarnation numbers ? discussion if the link doesn't. It's actually quite concise, imagine that.

Am I getting close to the thing of imagining in my minds-eye? Can only that which has been perceived before be perceived in this fashion?

Thank you three times.

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[quote="bette"]Peter
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Yes I am fine thanks Bette. I was reading "A New Earth" along with "The Power Of Now" by Eckhart Tolle around the time of his death so I was handling it better than I thought I would. My Mother has taken it hard and I suppose this has kept me on this search for answers. I have two young children so other time is spent chasing them;) Everyday I seem to find some more information that confirms we are "Spirits on a Human experience" so it is great comfort. I wish I knew then (at the time of passing) as I do now I think I would have been able to comfort people around me even more.
Once again thanks for asking:)

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