I have just read about a very tragic accident over in the U.K. A family of six were all killed together in their car which turned into a fireball when their car hit a lorry. The youngest was 10 weeks old. What I want to know is if they all presumabaly died within seconds of each other would they all be "together" upon regaining awarness in NPMR? Do people or familys or loved ones that die together,become aware together? I understand they may not neccessarily stay together but would they wake up together? Cult mass suicides come to mind and also suicide pacts as well ¿
Cherie

Cherie
As morbid as it sounds my kids and I, well my daughter as my son doesn't talk thoughts out loud, think and talk about this issue of if a wreck was going to happen we would want to all go together. We actually sort of joke about it talking about having to finish one or the other off so all would go at once. It is opposite of how royalty travels to us because of the togetherness issue. The family tragedy, imagine how those grandparents, aunt, uncles, nieces and nephews feel about it as a tragedy. Have you listened to the The Path interview ubik posted by Tom http://www.thepathseries.com/campbell, it seems to fit here. I imagine that each iuoc will do as it intends/needs and my feeling is they may or may not stay together although as Tom said in this interview they go into a comfort zone reality at first. In that case then staying together for a bit also seems viable depending on the quality of their iuoc. I also would imagine the 10 week old would have the least requirement for an acclimation reality since s/he just got here. This is the sort of tragedy in which knowing what is really going on (MBT) helps me not to just start crying about it as I usually do. My sons doctor teared up talking about someone with a downs syndrome child today, and I stayed dry eyed, again unusual. Something is changing in me about life, a fundamental change I can feel happening. I might actually get my shit together, excuse my French, but my English isn't much better. Amazing.

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Bette

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Cherie, Bette,

Bette got it right -- they do not necessarily stay together -- depending on how that would affect their transition. More typically they would go their own way. After death (particularly after sudden death) it is typical that one's awareness (attachment to PMR) changes very quickly -- separation is not the same issue that it would have been in PMR.

Tom C

Would the baby, at 10 weeks old, have 'known' (future probability) that this was going to happen?

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Peter

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Peter,

Yes, but not as the 10 week old child that it was in PMR. As the very old individuated being that it was in NPMR and its higher self, it would have both known and chosen to accept that life/experience packet as either somehow necessary to its development or of service to someone else, or all the above. VR remember. As a 10 week old human child, it has a limited access to its long developmental history and uncertain access to past memories. But I remember a newspaper account by the mother of a young man who was killed in the airliner blown up and crashing at Lockerbie, Scotland, in 1988. His mother stated that he had discussed the previous incident, the shooting down of an Iranian airliner, for which the Lockerbie attack was claimed to be in retaliation, shortly before the flight. He told her something to the effect that someone would have to pay for that previous attack and crash. Apparently (so I have thought since reading the account) he was among the volunteers to do so.

Ted Vollers

Peter: Would the baby, at 10 weeks old, have 'known' (future probability) that this was going to happen?

Tom: Probably. Teds answer is a good one -- more things than we know are either planned or "nudged" into our opportunities and experience in PMR, but there is a random or unplanned component in what happens to us as well. We have to interact with the results of other people's free will decisions as they have to interact with ours.

Tom C

Tom: More things than we know are either planned or "nudged" into our opportunities and experience in PMR,


Peter: That is an exact answer to a future question I had:-) Some things like why I am typing here in this forum and reading MBT for a start are more than just "free will" on my part I had presumed.


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Peter

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