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PostPosted: Thu Apr 01, 2010 11:29 am 
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That may be covered somewhere, but I can't seem to see anything more than

A) The inverse of entropy ( QOC = 1/entropy )

B) Something to do with "love" ...whatever that is!


If I sound critical it is due to my annoyance with my lack of concise understanding. There ought to be an objective was to measure the stuff (subjectively of course... yes you can do both at once ... for example you can easily evaluate your mental ability to count to 100 in your head).

Meanwhile, QOC has to be more than just "low entropy", as agencies with bad or predatory intent can be very well focused.

And this "love" stuff: What is it? Is it entirely an on/off proposition? Or can there be more or less of it? Can there be twice as much of the stuff per occasion as circumstances vary? Is it all the same stuff, like we suppose hydrogen atoms are all the same? Or are there different kinds? Is it digital?

What is the coupling mechanism by which consciousness can be aware of "love", or anything digital at all?

Once consciousness is coupled to this delta-T business, with the universe updating all the time, would one measure of QOC be the frequency with which it fathoms updates ..? That is to say, if on one day my consciousness could keep up with an update every billion delta Ts, and on another I was quick enough to catch one in a million, then would my consciousness be 1000 times higher quality? If mine was popping at every thousandth, and a friend was popping at every 999th, would we then 'co-exist' at only every 999,000 th iteration? Ot if I was popping at 1000 and my brother at 500, would we feel a stronger kinship than I would when I was with my friend, experiencing each other every other iteration instead of 1/999,000?? Does the quality or fidelity of experienced reality improve with a lower number (more frequent iterations)?

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Hi Montana:

QOC is independent on time (directly). There was a whole discussion about it in some thread:

http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=4015

Regarding the formula: I posted something before:

QOC(%)=(100-Entropy(%)) %

Or just without the % QOC = 100 - Entropy or

QOC + Entropy = 100%

The thread is here: http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=6&t=4077

but actually I also posted some more general formula for a system (like AUM) in the first link above.

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I associate QoC with ability to do work.
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Hi Bette:

That will be a chaos. Imagine all the corporate workaholics with high QoC.

I think it would be more like: "Capacity to produce direct change in Consciousness"

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Hi Bette:

That will be a chaos. Imagine all the corporate workaholics with high QoC.

I think it would be more like: "Capacity to produce direct change in Consciousness"

Claudio

Yeah, yeah, yeah, what you said, if what you said means to evolve the Consciousness System. ;)

Yeah again...imagine all the corporate workaholics with high QoC. If those aren't two mutually exclusive concepts, "corporate workaholic" and "high QoC" just IMAGINE what a change could take place. Dang Clau, I think you are on to something. The future of business with the addition of an high corporate QoC leading to cooperation. Cooperation workaholics.
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I think a quality of our intent can show or describe QoC.

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Thanks Lena, for saying that. I think I can handle the quality of my intent and that leading to QofC is great by me!

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An evil being experienced in NPMR can have good quality of intent.

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I'd have to say we have evil characters here in pmr, but in npmr it's subjective with no true duality. Just my thinking as I haven't spent much time there yet. It goes along with my character/actor metaphor I guess.

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Beau wrote:
I'd have to say we have evil characters here in pmr, but in npmr it's subjective with no true duality. Just my thinking as I haven't spent much time there yet. It goes along with my character/actor metaphor I guess.


Hi Beau:

Take into account that the QoC of the character reflects the QoC of the actor and vice versa. You are a team.

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I think QoC of the character affects the actor and vice versa, but ultimately I see it as the actor lowering the entropy thru understanding even if the character is exploring something in which the actor needs an experience to fulfill its own understanding. A probe, if you will, for investigation to further growth toward love even if the character seemingly heads down the "wrong" path relative to pmr.

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Beau wrote:
A probe, if you will, for investigation to further growth toward love even if the character seemingly heads down the "wrong" path relative to pmr.
Can we call it a "rectometer", please? :)
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Or wrecked Om-eter might do it too!

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This is a really good question deserving of a really good explanation.

What is Quality? How does it relate to Entropy?

Quality is a balance between Order and Chaos. To understand it you need to go to the extremes at each end and see what those extremes entail.

At one end you have order. Perfect order would be the extreme. The most perfect order possible is One. That would be AUO.

At the other end, from your perspective, is the complete unknown of chaos. From your perspective, the most extreme chaos is everything else that is unknown, which appears to be AUM.

In between these two points is you and your awareness. Also, in between these two is the possibility of imperfect order and apparent chaotic existence. That would be you and me! As our understanding of our selves increases, we gain more awareness of the order within the apparent chaos. This increase in knowledge is an increase in understanding of the complexity of that internal order. The greater the understanding of the complexity of the order within ourselves, the greater the understanding of the larger and now less unknown "chaos" of AUM.

High quality understanding is understanding of higher orders of being, larger complex systems of being. This understanding is the awareness of the order within what at first appeared to be chaos. The better the understanding of the more complex system, the greater the decrease in entropy. Operation of will and intent within this understanding requires less work, less energy.

Think of it as driving a car. If you are a very good driver, then you can drive the car more efficiently than a not so good driver. The increase in knowledge of the complexity of the machine, allows you to make use of it in ways that a poor driver could not. This is an example of higher quality of consciousness.

All of the being between AUO and AUM is ordered in some way. The goal ultimately is for AUO to learn of it's own complexity internally, and become AUM. You are helping in that goal by experiencing complex being as You, and learning from it. You are constantly becoming You, and AUO is constantly becoming AUM. The appearance of chaos is an illusion of unknowing. Evil is what you get when chaos is intended. Good is what you get when self awareness reveals internal order. Evil is what you get when you give away your will and choose the default, no will. Evil is what you get when you give in to chaos, rather than wilfully bring order to your self from within.

The order of self is spontaneous, not created from outside yourself. As you increase your internal order and solidify your understanding, you have no need for order imposed from outside your self.

As more people gain in QOC and interact, new levels of order spontaneously arise in the systems of people. Families, Nations, Globally, all of these systems increase in quality as the externally imposed order is replaced with the more efficient internal order and understanding.

When you say,"There ought to be a law!" you are intending externally imposed order, and consequently increased entropy by default.
When you say,"I should not do that, or I should do this differently", you are willing and intending internal order of self and lowering your entropy.


How much QOC can any one get from forced order? 0%
How much QOC can any one get from internal understanding of order? 100%

The default, when you have no will of your own to do otherwise, is to gravitate back to perfect order and zero complexity. The undoing of complex order is the Evil that you must embrace along the way, by default. I prefer free will and personal growth.

Any time you learn something that expands your ability and your awareness, you are increasing the QOC of your being.
Any time you initiate the use of force against the will of another, you are decreasing your entropy and your QOC.

Look at the political landscape. Where is there an increase in QOC? Is it in reform? Is it in war? Is it in regulation? Or is it in people doing better for themselves? Expand your understanding and examine what is happening around you. Look at where force is used and what effect it has on the will and intent and being of others. What actions are lowing entropy and what actions are increasing it?

Look at the dynamics in your own family or local community. Where is there an increase in QOC? Is it in imposing restrictions? Is it in yelling at your kids? Is it in getting dinner on time? Or is it in allowing the others within the group to do the right thing and showing them what that is? Is it a locked door because of an error? Or is it a talk about what that error is and what to do next time?

Ultimately, for you, there is only one point of view for your understanding, and that is your self. All larger systems of human beings are either imposed by other human beings or are spontaneous. Which ones lower entropy? Which ones do not initiate use force? What do you allow to happen to yourself or others by default? How does that affect your QOC? Evil happens either by force or by a complete lack of will to do otherwise. Evil is the lowering of QOC. Good is the raising of QOC. There is no trade off. There is no gain to the greater good through any initial use of force against even one other human being. There is no gain by submission to the defaults. There is only gain in the exercise of will and intent without initial use of force. You can defend against an initial action. You cannot initiate the action against. You cannot concede to initial action by others and escape blame. You cannot impose action on another through complex association and escape blame. How do you justify the actions of those who act for you? How is that not you? How can any one benefit by force? What are you doing and what are others doing for you? To you? With you? On your behalf? By default?

Tough questions to answer. Even tougher to come to grips with the answers! That is why we are here. The better our answers, the lower the entropy and the greater the QOC.

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Very good post. Good suggestions. I liked it. The only thing I don't see quite like you is when you said evil goes towards no free will. I think evil uses free will like any being. Probably you are describing something else or certain type of evil. Well. Anyway, great post.

I see QoC as order without forcing order. QoC like Fearless Order by love (lovely order?). On top of that I agree, knowledge, wisdom, training helps ordering by love.

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