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PostPosted: Fri May 20, 2011 4:01 am 
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Yes, as I find the information and remember it, it is odorless. Perhaps your dental hygienist has had problem patients with its use or experienced trouble in its use. A technical description of its use includes more than one state that it can result in, governed by its concentration. And as it is mixed with oxygen, I believe that it can be dangerous and care must be used because of the tendency of materials to burn with high oxygen concentrations. And if you note my reference to my friend's experience using it, it is supposed to in some instances, result in sexual arousal of the patient which can obviously cause problems and has led to its abuse with women patients by unethical male dentists. I believe that there was a case locally some 10 years or more ago.

Truth Serum, so called, originally referred to sodium pentothal which I believe is the common name for the chemical. I understand that it now can refer to more than one psychoactive chemical which have been used to extract information from prisoners and is banned under international law as I understand it. It is considered to be a form of torture. They are used in psychotherapy as I understand it where they can be helpful in the understanding of underlying situations causing trouble to a patient. I know only these generalities.

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I just read an editorial from the grand poobah of my local paper where he is talking about the May 21rst end of the world thing, and in it he states the earth is 13,000 years old. He really believes that, I guess, since he wrote it, and published it. It just makes me sick that this is the person in charge of controlling what news comes into this town.
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the world is full of idiots (high entropy seekers) who attach themselves to wise teachings

MBT is no exception

you judge the profitability of a mine shaft from the gold you find in it, not the valueless rock that surrounds it

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Yes "lighten up" so that no actual progress gets made. Let's bury it. Status quo has to go. It's part of the way we are brain washed to not talk about thinsg that really matter. It's not "polite." BS
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the fundamental and recurring issue is that based on your personal data you are at war with Christianity, and Tom and Ted have ruled that MBTOE is not Christianity's enemy.

When one can hold the truth of MBTOE and Christianity in one's mind, we see that they are the same thing in different language, at different levels of fidelity. (digital vs analogue)

It is my observation that fundamentalist Religion (with which you have so much anger) in all its forms is part of AUM's way of nurturing relative order where this is extreme disorder.

The various abstract hates of the various fundamentalists normally are inconsequential and abstract, but at least these types are learning the process of working together at the community level, and moving from the level of microwaving cats for fun.

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This is a difficult concept to convey, but to me it seems like a "low entropy" Christian and a "low entropy" Buddhist have more in common than a "low entropy" Christian and a "high entropy" Christian.

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you are speaking of the international brotherhood of piety (low entropy)

the low entropy FWAU will inevitably seek out the lowest entropy community within their local situation, and each Religion has a range of denominational or sectoral permutations to choose from in this regard

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It's like pulling teeth. Patrick what did you MEAN when you said progress was represented by something I said?
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I had a tooth pulled last week... Really. It was an impacted molar. I knew it was there. A dentist told me about it 30 years ago. But he said I didn't have to worry about it right now. So I forgot about it and the subject never came up again, until now. Anyway, NOW, there was also a CYST around the tooth, taking up the space of the bone. And they said it HAD to come out now. They had to slice through the gum and cut into my jawbone (they said they would flap the bone up to get at it) remove the tooth, and the cyst (which was bigger than the tooth by the way). And then they needed to scrape the inside of the bone in order to remove any left over cystic material left behind.

Let me just say here, that I was once hit in the face with a crowbar and it didn't hurt as much as this procedure. it was QUITE painful, as you can imagine. It really had to be the MOST painful procedure of my life (and I have had some doozies, LOL)
It felt like they held my face open with a vise and beat on my jaw with a hammer and chisel for 45 minutes. (it hurt) And my face was swollen for like 5 days. People would ask me: Does your face hurt? I would say yes. and they would say "well its killing me" lol

So, after they removed the tooth, and the cyst, and they were scraping the inside of my jawbone with, what felt like a hammerdrill, the doctor said "Okay, now we are really making progress" ... LOL

But what does that have to do with the price of bananas? I don't really know. But it is a true story. =-)


events of extreme pain reset your experiential and expectational normal curve...regular BS then seems like bliss

people who have had sheltered lives have very narrow normal curves and get upset at every jostle along the road.

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Have you and your dentist never heard of Nitrous Oxide, aka laughing gas? I had to have something reasonably similar done with an impacted wisdom tooth but not the cyst and they gave me the option and used this. Basically the dentist started out saying this will take a few minutes more after he had worked for about 15. Then it went on and on and on for over an hour more as he had unexpected problems and had to cut the tooth into pieces and remove them individually. And it apparently had roots to China as the old saying goes. He gave the NO before he even injected the local Novocaine and basically I experienced no pain and little memory of the passage of time. He however was not happy as not only was he sweating away with the intensity of the work but he was doing the work for a fixed fee and it cut deeply into his income for the day. I am sure that it hurt him much more than it hurt me. I could think and notice things like his working away very hard and sweating but I was happy as a clam.

Going through what you did sounds barbarous by comparison. You sound as if he didn't even use local anesthesia. Is the dentist a sadist or you a masochist? I understand that there can be problems with some people taking NO, but you should try it. I had a friend who had a dental procedure done with NO and afterwards the dentist told him to never come back and the young female dental assistant would not look at him. He said that he hoped he had enjoyed whatever he did as he had no memory at all.

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I had a dental phobia in middle age. Looked in the yellow pages for someone who advertised "gentle dentistry", and I get Nitrous for virtually everything.

Also, for anything really really important, like medical or life or death legal stuff, think in terms of the average Noble prize winner in terms of personal profile (age, sex, ethnicity) when seeking out professional help

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Yes "lighten up" so that no actual progress gets made. Let's bury it. Status quo has to go. It's part of the way we are brain washed to not talk about thinsg that really matter. It's not "polite." BS
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the fundamental and recurring issue is that based on your personal data you are at war with Christianity, and Tom and Ted have ruled that MBTOE is not Christianity's enemy.

When one can hold the truth of MBTOE and Christianity in one's mind, we see that they are the same thing in different language, at different levels of fidelity. (digital vs analogue)

It is my observation that fundamentalist Religion (with which you have so much anger) in all its forms is part of AUM's way of nurturing relative order where this is extreme disorder.

The various abstract hates of the various fundamentalists normally are inconsequential and abstract, but at least these types are learning the process of working together at the community level, and moving from the level of microwaving cats for fun.


I'm kinda with Bette on this one. In my experience organized religion is about fear and control not about lowering your entropy. My sister was a fanatical Nichiren Shoshu Buddhist. That religion is as much about fear and control as Christianity. My recent experience at a Christening reinforced this belief. The sermon was all about how secular classes are being offered in colleges now and what a dangerous trend that is.


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"It" was my statement Lynda, read what I wrote please. Don't worry your sweet head about this Lynda, it has nothing to do with you, thanks.
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Lynda,

(From the discussion on Nitrous oxide)
"Truth serum" is sodium pentothal, used in general anesthesia.

(oops, I see Ted already answered this.)

I think I had sodium pentothal when I had my tonsils out back in '78.

My kids had NO lots of times during routine dentistry, such as fillings. I didn't realize that some people have a negative experience with it.

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bette wrote:
Don't worry your sweet head about this
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The tone is uncalled for and not appropriate for this board.

It is worse, in my opinion, than Claudio's ever was.

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Don't worry your sweet head about this
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The tone is uncalled for and not appropriate for this board.

It is worse, in my opinion, than Claudio's ever was.

-Montana
You have no idea of personal context, or what you are talking about Montana here, please stop. Don't pick on Claudio, that's not nice.
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bette wrote:
Yes "lighten up" so that no actual progress gets made. Let's bury it. Status quo has to go. It's part of the way we are brain washed to not talk about thinsg that really matter. It's not "polite." BS
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the fundamental and recurring issue is that based on your personal data you are at war with Christianity, and Tom and Ted have ruled that MBTOE is not Christianity's enemy.

When one can hold the truth of MBTOE and Christianity in one's mind, we see that they are the same thing in different language, at different levels of fidelity. (digital vs analogue)

It is my observation that fundamentalist Religion (with which you have so much anger) in all its forms is part of AUM's way of nurturing relative order where this is extreme disorder.

The various abstract hates of the various fundamentalists normally are inconsequential and abstract, but at least these types are learning the process of working together at the community level, and moving from the level of microwaving cats for fun.


I'm kinda with Bette on this one. In my experience organized religion is about fear and control not about lowering your entropy. My sister was a fanatical Nichiren Shoshu Buddhist. That religion is as much about fear and control as Christianity. My recent experience at a Christening reinforced this belief. The sermon was all about how secular classes are being offered in colleges now and what a dangerous trend that is.


there is vast array of denominations and sects that have flowed from the various teachers and traditions of the major religions.

for those without direct experience in the form of serious involvement, our perception is filtered twice, firstly, the higher entropy interpretations tend to seek attention and get in your face, secondly, the anti-religious media give attention to the worst that comes out of religious activity as part of their well intentioned mission to rid the planet of spiritual based belief, and replace it with the nihilism of the PMR-bound humanist scientismists.

Part of religious activity includes the Shambala Buddhists, the Quakers, Spiritualism (i.e. Cassadaga near you), various mystical Catholics sects and communities, most forms of Judaism...all of which are relatively cerebral and much lower entropy at their core.

There is a definite tendency for the educated who become interested in the bigger picture later in life, to end up in Catholicism, Tony Blair being one example. Catholicism is robust and subtle enough, being love rather than belief based, to withstand educated scrutiny, fundamentalism not so much.

We cannot authentically discuss Christianity if we are going to talk about the legion of distortions that are out there. We must go back to the gospels, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. If you read that, you will find there is no light between Tom's teaching and the apparent teachings associated with that Jesus character.

Strangely, 99.8% of the population has never read the gospels, which are the foundation of western culture.

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bette wrote:
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Don't worry your sweet head about this
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The tone is uncalled for and not appropriate for this board.

It is worse, in my opinion, than Claudio's ever was.

-Montana
You have no idea of personal context, or what you are talking about Montana here, please stop. Don't pick on Claudio, that's not nice.
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Bette: are you under some kind of extra stress this week, or is it just the usual...the Christianity button, that has made you so grouchy? ; - )

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No Randy, things are actually going great around here. Both Katie and Adrian have found work, and Arthur is not having as much pain recently. There are little truths in many religions, even some of the more organized ones. I have free will to know better that be so controlled is all, and know that to Evolve they are not going to help. I'm looking to the future, and how to create a more Loving consensus Reality, so these limiting Belief Systems need to complete their extinction process. Things change, it's best not to cling so desperately to the status quo. You got to break a couple eggs is true, unfortunately. It will be okay though, no one will come into your home and make you grow up, or change your beliefs. It's a changing of the guards. Getting rid of one of the main enemies of Free Will is a good thing.
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