Sainbury wrote:
kroeran wrote:
bette wrote:
Yes "lighten up" so that no actual progress gets made. Let's bury it. Status quo has to go. It's part of the way we are brain washed to not talk about thinsg that really matter. It's not "polite." BS
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Bette
the fundamental and recurring issue is that based on your personal data you are at war with Christianity, and Tom and Ted have ruled that MBTOE is not Christianity's enemy.
When one can hold the truth of MBTOE and Christianity in one's mind, we see that they are the same thing in different language, at different levels of fidelity. (digital vs analogue)
It is my observation that fundamentalist Religion (with which you have so much anger) in all its forms is part of AUM's way of nurturing relative order where this is extreme disorder.
The various abstract hates of the various fundamentalists normally are inconsequential and abstract, but at least these types are learning the process of working together at the community level, and moving from the level of microwaving cats for fun.
I'm kinda with Bette on this one. In my experience organized religion is about fear and control not about lowering your entropy. My sister was a fanatical Nichiren Shoshu Buddhist. That religion is as much about fear and control as Christianity. My recent experience at a Christening reinforced this belief. The sermon was all about how secular classes are being offered in colleges now and what a dangerous trend that is. there is vast array of denominations and sects that have flowed from the various teachers and traditions of the major religions.
for those without direct experience in the form of serious involvement, our perception is filtered twice, firstly, the higher entropy interpretations tend to seek attention and get in your face, secondly, the anti-religious media give attention to the worst that comes out of religious activity as part of their well intentioned mission to rid the planet of spiritual based belief, and replace it with the nihilism of the PMR-bound humanist scientismists.
Part of religious activity includes the Shambala Buddhists, the Quakers, Spiritualism (i.e. Cassadaga near you), various mystical Catholics sects and communities, most forms of Judaism...all of which are relatively cerebral and much lower entropy at their core.
There is a definite tendency for the educated who become interested in the bigger picture later in life, to end up in Catholicism, Tony Blair being one example. Catholicism is robust and subtle enough, being love rather than belief based, to withstand educated scrutiny, fundamentalism not so much.
We cannot authentically discuss Christianity if we are going to talk about the legion of distortions that are out there. We must go back to the gospels, Mathew, Mark, Luke and John. If you read that, you will find there is no light between Tom's teaching and the apparent teachings associated with that Jesus character.
Strangely, 99.8% of the population has never read the gospels, which are the foundation of western culture.