This may sound like a highly Duh-istic question, but what the hell!

How do you (you, as opposed to 'how does one') distinguish between subjective content and NPMR content..?

Say you are in "meditation deep" and an event occurs..... maybe it is an isolated impression a brief scene of people walking down a crowded street, say.... or maybe there is more of a sequence of scenes that suggests a narrative. Do you consider this to be subjectively (ie 'in house') generated material...? Or is the material stuff coming in 'from the outside'.

What tests or operative definitions or indicators do you use to distinguish?



-Montana

I think this is a very good question. There is a number of things that it could be. Perhaps when these things happen we are not seeing the whole of the information coming through. This could be for whatever reason, judgement/intellect, etc. Or perhaps these things (much like dreams) need to be noted and collected in order for you to make a pattern of it.

I am sure some of the others will be able to add some good stuff to this.

On a side note- My girlfriend and I sort of made a game out of this. At night when we lay down to go to bed we name off all the ridiculous things we see. Like a shelf over your head and a doll falls off onto your face. Being on a bus, or dropping my cell phone in a pool.

I have my experience only from my meditation. I don't or cannot OOB and go to NMPR.

At first after meditation I was questioning myself where was it coming from? Most often, luckily for me, whatever was said to me in my meditation was smarter, wiser, and beyond my common intellectual knowledge. Very soon I stopped questioning myself. Most of the time provided information was easy to relate to my previous experience, and if I don't know what to make of it, I asked. Of course, I never I asked a scientific type of question, but I am not a scientific type of person. Only when I was asking about my family future I never got anything more than 50% close to what would happen later. I could myself make 50/50 guess too.

For example. I asked if I could assist with a transition. Everything has happen in my meditation. I am not going in details, since they are not important. A woman was telling her story non stop. I know, I could not make it in my mind right on a spot. I have not asked her what year was it. When I did Google search it did not bring me any word by word stories, which would tell me, that hers was a real story. Was it my imagination or was it a life story? Right now I've got to a point where things like that do not make any difference to me. This is uncertainty. I have asked time and again to be free of fear of uncertainty, and this is how LCS teaches, provides training, helps, and all of that slowly starts to make sense to me. This time learning started to be kind of harsh on me, and I asked to make it easy. I think I have a huge fear of uncertainty, and it could not be an easy start in such a training. When you observe carefully it is so clear, that anything and everything is uncertainty.

The same way my guides/my IUOC/LCS helped me to get rid of fear of death. It took me 3 years watching 'movies' in my meditation. Was I making them up, were they rendered to me personally or were they taken from a library of a standard 'movies'? Never asked, nobody bothered to tell me either. ;)) My fear is gone, and I am happy.

Lena

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'Real knowledge is to know the extent of ones ignorance.' Confucius.

What you see is perspective from another plane. These experiences are happening to your spirit body which you have now merged with in that plane. There are many distortions as this is interpreted with your self on this plane. It seems to take a while to be able to comprehend it on this level and understand what is happening to you. It will make sense soon. Peace!

Montana I don't know if dreams count but here's my take on 3 of my dreams that I think we're NPMR related. 2 of them we're in a state of lucid dreaming and the third was a regular dream.

The first one was the most extraordinary evidence. It happened in a nature like environment with my family. But in this reality I knew where all of the things belonged; what I mean by that is that I intuitively knew how every piece of the whole set of the arrangement was brought up into this place. This nature like environment included also a house (the one in which we lived in) so I knew how for instance the wardrobe was moved in the house but at the same time I couldn't recollect the memory of it (I know it sounds like a paradox). It certainly felt really familiar to me like I knew the place from the start go. When I woke up for a few minutes I was really questioning myself if it really was a memory of this life. That's how strong it was for me. Another characteristic that I found interesting was that the information which I received was similar to the description of ROTE's from Monroe - imagine a lot of information starts pouring in and your mind cannot handle it all.

Now the second dream was also spectacular. It was more like a theatre act. It had like 3 or 4 scenes and it showed me how each of them was connected somehow. In the beginning (the first 2-3 scenes) I knew that I needed to do some sort of things but I couldn't use my memory so I didn't knew what to do next but at the same time I just followed the thread of what felt to me natural or intuitive. In the final act it was shown to me how it was all connected. The passing from one scene to another was done by melting (I don't know if it an appropriate metaphor) the current scene and reconstructing another one. Every time that it happened I felt it to be highly disorientating - like I said I didn't know what to do next.

The third dream is related to my normal waking state. I experienced in a day a kind of precognition - what I mean by that is that the dream content revealed itself to be connected to a normal day. For work I travel with the subway. At the station that I needed to get off 3 or 4 seconds in advance I experienced a deja-vu feeling and then I knew that I would see a girl reading a book at some spot in the station. Low and behold there it was :). But since I am also a skeptic maybe my mind is playing tricks on me :).

But the first 2 dreams that I related they we're so unlike any other dreams that for me was easy to tell if it was NPMR related or not.

Now going back to your question I don't think it's ever possible to be certain of subjective experience except when remote viewing on Earth (which you could then verify). As Tom says you start living with uncertainty and move from there. I think there is an exception though - when "someone"/"something"/"you fill it in here with your appropriate metaphor" in NPMR wants you to know something for a fact you will have a distinctive feel of it, a different quality of it. The doubt will still be there though but in this case the "quality" from the others are different.

thanks for sharing about that Ing,

The old phrase comes to mind "The heart has reasons that the mind knows nothing of."

The same seems to be true of at least some dreams: There is a sort of line of 'reasoning' that is utterly irrational, in the sense that we in the waking world use that term. For instance, I have had any number of dreams in which I have a clear, solid, utterly intuitive sense of 'which way is North' ( a sense that I don't have in waking life, though some folks apparently do).

That doesn't answer the original question... but it does make it much much more complicated!

At least it is making progress in some direction! :-D

-Montana