Ted Vollers wrote:
Tom has discussed this. Stated that there is no way to know that there is or is not something beyond and outside of AUM, possibly a whole herd of 'aumosauruses'. To our knowledge, and in Tom's model, there is certainly nothing defined there. Unless you are going to get into one of those metaphysical speculations as to the cause behind the cause behind . . ., what are you going to speculate about? Have you ever heard the phrase, 'it's turtles all the way down'? In an early model of reality, based upon what I don't remember now, it was stated that the earth sat on the back of a gigantic tortoise. Someone among the listeners then asked, well what does the turtle stand on? Some little old lady in the audience retorted, 'it's turtles all the way down'.
You can continue to speculate as fantastically as you wish. It is however pure speculation. Tom's model begins at the same beginning point from which ancient metaphysicians have always begun and at the same thing that mystics have always experienced when they went as deeply within as it seems possible to go: the Void. Beyond that point no one has ever claimed to go. It seems that there is no such 'beyond' that exists. To make such a claim would bring questions as millenia have not produced a vision of greater depth.
Knowledge does not go deeper within NPMR. Tom has stated that spiritual knowledge as represented in Tom's model is no more widely available there in NPMR than here in PMR. Keep in mind also that Tom's model is essentially the same model as the Buddha's and ancient Indian metaphysicians came up with, just with metaphors from science instead of mysticism. As I have frequently pointed out Indra's Net = RWW and Illusion = Virtual Reality. You are insisting that we must go farther than anyone has figured out how to go in thousands of years. Well, happy trails, enjoy the trip. You are welcome to try.
One thing about exploring hard questions like this thread, Is that it buts you in the mind set of finding big truth. I know it gets to a point were speculation takes over, But for some reason that desire to know seems to be deep in our nature. KAOS is how all this started, And it also gave Maxwell Smart a job. Fred searching for truth