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hey me again, just incase no one reads FAQ
I vehemently disagree with the consensus stating that consciousness is totally subjective, the trilogy itself claims the opposite, people reading letters/info outside of physical capabilities are written multiple times in several books including MBT. also tom says as many others in his book he is able to go out of body on the spot, so if he is able to go into the real time zone acquire PMR info that is physically impossible to attain, why doesn't he do it with other monroe people in front of a wide audience of inquisitive demanding skeptics? i understand the endless rainbow of intellect and so on yet still I think it's a total CRIME that this information isn't being empirically scrutanized at the non military - public academia level. it's a total cop out, anybody can write books purporting objective dualism and use rhetorical parables to avoid proving it... YEAH ok, we get it, you can't measure the non-physical with physical instruments/intellect, but you CAN measure objective out of body PMR with a simple study.
take 1 -tom and friends sits in chair, he becomes concious OOB retains "impossible" information - wakes up in physical recites to skeptics.. have you seen interviews on michio kaku and richard dawkins, their the skeptic of all skeptics right? but their totally passionate and curios to the point of internal affliction about subjective conciousness, (well dawkins is atleast) it's as if they are in hopes of realizing the exact logic and science tom mentions, especially regarding THIS subject matter. being the 2 scenarios .."i think forever, -or- i disapear completely forever" relieving existentialism -or- the most grim form of nihilism possible for a self aware human being, no one is fundamentally pontificating as much as it seems everyone is demanding evidence because immortal conciousness is obviously inarguably a desirable paradigm of intellect to be living in but extraordinary claims require extraordinary proof, I can attest to this which is why i'm writing this, i remember my state of "intellect" before my first OBE i was so bitter and nihilistic I could barrely move or eat for months because i felt that there was just no substance in life the bottom line was nothing matters, i was just a biological chemical machine with a decaying duration to inexistence totally dependent on the things i hate the most soon to disapear for eternity, everything became profoundly painful in the most morbid way possible, i really can't explain the complexity it's something you have to experience just as much as i can really explain how important MIND or intellect, or quenching skepticism is with words.
I wish every dualist leaning person would really sit down and pretend that it wasnt real ..feeling the consequential emotional reaction arrise, that is the fuel of this message, This subjective thing, ... i understand it, totally... but still it's seriously the most offensive cop out, with extraordinary claims requires extraordinary proof.... not to be a snotty asshole but i think each time someone deviates proof with aloof intellectual parables they are compromising their premise, there is NOT plenty of evidence of paranormal, it is not established as a widely understood fact that dualism or whatever you want to call it is repeatable or time tested, most people tell me OBE is just a lucid dream, and the only people who believe it are "fantasy prone" ..they could just as easily say tom campbel hallucinating delusional imagery (set aside his deep personal subjective convictions). this message is not an attack to a man named tom campbell it's a challenge, constructive criticism, COMMON SENSE, to the whole community of people who purport support this fact/fiction, i'm sure i'm not the first guy to rant -it's just hard looking at this intelligent beautiful scientific renaissance level understanding just sit away
it's considered new age not quantum physics.. as of mainstream consensus (which isn't saying much) but still a big problem, soley because empirical evidence that CAN be provided and because it's subjective there are people who will die intellectually believing fearing regretfully that that is their last breath just because obe is in the pink unicorn category at the moment, I'm SURE they WANT TO KNOW ..it's reminiscent of bob monroes original death bed disclosure idea which i recall was one of the aims of the monroe institute, it seems like proving OBE scientifcally empirically in front of skeptics and aiding the emotional turmoil of the dead or dying was the original aim of the monroe institute, yet now it's become a getaway resort for upper mid-class new agers to attend workshops, PFFT such a shame, I think it's more compassionate to respect someone's skepticism and furthermore prove their ass wrong objectively. but the world is left with the cliche dualist disposition fluffy non assertive philosophers.
I wish the monroe institute would really team up with everyone in this community drop the books seminars cds merchandise, drop everything, and get back to the original ambition of robert MONROE, scientifically analyze record scrutanize study and scientifically validate without any refutation the reality of non physical awareness... it doesnt have to be just Tom... the public consensus needs to be informed, if this is real it should be tested and proven objectively. and i disagree people WILL believe, sorry wrong word, be aware of it when there is serious scientific investigation and proof media coverage etc, alongside tom's science TOE etc, .. there is nothing wrong with providing or demanding the validity of a matter
If money is the problem, if publicity is the problem, if organizing is the problem, it's not..
it's totally feasible to pull something like that off, the idea is in demand enough to get it off the ground with little initial effort with plenty of skeptics willing to have their day. if it is seriously that big of a problem please let me know. I KNOW it's not impossible to arrange
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