Hello Kornellred,
I liked your post.

If I get you,this POV seems to have been in place for a long time in the far east too.

"All knowledge is ignorance"
"All Conceptions are the manifestation of ignorance"
"Pleasure contains the seeds of future suffering"
etc,

The ultimate truth may be as you say,but we are all compelled by nature to participate anyway.

Hi Willie:

Imagination cannot come from nothing. Imagination is manipulation and creation of information. It needs information to be.

Awareness also could have been evolved as MBT describes.

Claudio

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Don't worry about that Willie because Willie won't survive, only the bit of Consciousness that WAS playing Willie continues. Willie goes into the database in case anyone loving Willie needs to render that data in meditation or dreams, but you won't survive.
Love
Bette

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Consciousness.

Really no one will make it out of here with the body intact. However the good news is that you're headed home (NPMR) with your consciousness intact. The other good news is ya'll get another crack at PMR. Start planning now for the next one, helps to avoid mistakes.

Jake

Willie,

Everything came from nothing. It is somehow the nature of the fundamental reality that Consciousness could arise. There are no absolute meanings. It is the function and choice of Consciousness to beat/forge meaning out of the primordial nothingness. Your existence has been a part of that effort of producing meaning, increment by increment. As said by others above, Willie will not continue but that which became Willie will indeed continue and with a more complete understanding of the whole than Willie has suffered with. Don't worry. All is well. You will have done your part. Just don't be in a rush to leave as your contribution is not yet over.

Ted

I don't know what your situation is, but consider the possibility that an undifficult life may actually be more problematic, on a more fundamental level, and kind of a waste of time

my personal experience is that at the moment of "getting it", and choosing to see the glass 1% full rather than 99% empty, and then manifesting this how you treat others, the system releases you from the Super High Intensity Training (SHIT) of the mission, and things materially actually get easier, things just start falling in your lap - they take you off the SHIT list.

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kroeran! I love this! Thank you for posting -- this has been what I feel has been happening as I move to a more loving place....And I love how you capture this -- "...taken off the SHIT list"...brilliant!

there probably isn't a list, but I think it works out the same based on Tom's words

another dude said this...

Luke 6- 37 “Do not judge, and you will not be judged. Do not condemn, and you will not be condemned. Forgive, and you will be forgiven. 38 Give, and it will be given to you. A good measure, pressed down, shaken together and running over, will be poured into your lap. For with the measure you use, it will be measured to you.”

its like the monkey grasping the banana piece in the coconut monkey trap, its when you let go and stop grasping for yourself that the machine actually starts working efficiently and becomes your instrument and not your torturer

so the system says "oh, he gets it now, he is self modifying, he is working on waking other people up, we can give him resources and he knows their proper use"

sorry getting all biblical on you today...just the mood I am in

Matthew 6 31 So do not worry, saying, ‘What shall we eat?’ or ‘What shall we drink?’ or ‘What shall we wear?’ 32 For the pagans run after all these things, and your heavenly Father knows that you need them. 33 But seek first his kingdom and his righteousness, and all these things will be given to you as well.

this is just bible-speak for "seek to be a balanced person, and you will get what you need, and more"

Of course you don't need to get into the higher ruleset at all for this to work - if you treat people properly, they will want to do business with you, and then you attract resources and confidence, women find you more attractive because of the behavior as well as the resources, and before you know it, you have gone from negativist nihilism to the good life.

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Just be yourself, everyone else is already taken.

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i've skimmed through the first 5 pages and noticed no-one answered paradigm's very very simple question.

If I met Tom campbell and Bob Monroe, locked them in safely observed in 2 separate rooms, check for no hidden mics and cameras etc.
Then said a random word to Tom.
Tom the word is "BASKET".
"Now Tom you're locked in this room but go and tell Bob the word in astral state". Then hours later, "say Tom did you meet Bob successfully?" "yeah we met and I told him the word", "great!"
I go upstairs and speak to bob in the other room.
"Hi Bob did you meet Tom?" "yeah we met and spoke" "great!"

"What's the word Bob??"
He answers
".. er...er...i cant remember now, can we do it again??"

Thats the answer for you paradigm.
It never ever works under simple controlled conditions.
Unfortunately, James Randi may be an arrogant little turd but he still has his million dollars.
It would be exciting if all this was possible, but time and time again it fails.
As yet, it's never proved to work.

Your original question that no-one could answer sums up my bafflement with all of this.

For horizoner and paradigm I've made a post answering similar questions

Here's the link - http://www.my-big-toe.com/forums/viewtopic.php?f=2&t=5503&p=30397#p30397

And just for a few laughs read this link (it's also serious at the same time) - you can win 1 million dollars if you can disprove the existence of the afterlife according to this post

http://www.victorzammit.com/skeptics/challenge.html

ingerul9, all very interesting im sure,
but i notice you still didnt answer the simple question paradigm put.
(afterlife?? diverting away, thats nothing to do with the simple test paradigm was talking about. Forget Randi, choose someone else Michio Kaku for example is very open minded)

Would Bob answer "Basket" if he was observing the test?

Horizoner it's obviously that you didn't even consider the links I gave or the books Tom wrote. I am not going to reply as others have done before me just to feed your ideas about reality. Everyone is entitled to their own opinions. Read the books or search through the forums to find your answer. Consider what you wish of my answer.

horizoner,

What you ask has been done many times, in equivalent, to the satisfaction of others. If indeed you do not bother to read what others suggest to answer your questions, it certainly seems that it has switched for our wasting your time to your wasting our time. One who chooses to remain unsatisfied will of course so remain. This will never be done on the equivalent of the reliability of electricity, flip a switch and the light comes on.

Ted

Ted: is my understanding correct that the fundamental system has actually determined (through trial and error) that concealing PSI from higher entropy individuals optimizes the efficiency of the overall QoC generation system?

such proofs would undermine the effectiveness of the simulation?

or am I just summing up the uncertainty principle

Randy

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