Now we've got some decent discussions going.
One thing I'm finding out about this "theory", even though I have yet to experience it, is that the more I let it 'sit' on my mind, the more I'm able to develop and understand it. I understand all the main concepts of reality proposed in it, and I understand how they make logical 'sense'. I understand that (in my mind at least) quantum physics IS the first step in objectively proving this theory. I understand the idea of being trapped in a subset and I do believe
(important word) that there should be a larger reality. I understand the notion that to fully 'get' it, you must experience it.
While it may seem like I hit my period of enlightenment, I still hold my skepticism for the following reasons:
1) Quantum physics is still theoretical.
2) I still assert that the slightest
form of objective evidence should be able to be generated. There has to be at least one piece of subjective knowledge Tom has gained that he can both share and prove objectively. According to the people here, he does do that! If he went astral traveling with someone else in a different room, recorded the dreams, and compared them to prove they matched...that is objectively proving it
. I'm not sure why every argument against me boils down to "You can't objectively prove the subjective, you must experience it". Tom both says and demonstrates that it can be objectively proven! Why isn't this done more? Why isn't this done in at least one
3) As opposite from religion as Tom claims MBT to be, a million and one parallels can be drawn between MBT and religion. MBT is simply a much more in depth, logical, and all encompassing form of religion. There's nothing wrong with this, but it seems there is so much focus on saying MBT is not religion. What is religion? Objective belief in something subjective and personal.
4) Delusion among members here certainly contributes negatively when dealing with skeptics. For example :
I kind of think this is what is going to happen in 2012, and that it will be a female type energy we start utilizing more.
Female type energy? ...What?! Did you believe the same thing was going to happen when Y2K happened? Right here you are predicting the future, you're predicting that :
a) Something significant happens in the year 2012 and is a result of it being the year 2012.
b) Somehow the precise time period will encourage a shift of our entire way of thinking.
c) Female type energy? Everyone is going to act "motherly" and kind and loving to everyone? In an ideal world, maybe. This world is far, far from it. Much further than 1 year from it.
I don't want to be harsh here, but these are the true words of a delusional hippie. I can assure you that nothing is going to happen in 2012 that is paranormal, and if anything we'd just continue to shift towards a more "male type energy"...power, greed, war, etc. This in all probability will cause us to self-destruct, and it's something we have objective proof of (ie. just look at the world). What you suggest is objective, so what happens in 2012 when nothing happens? Is your theory and 'feelings' about everything wrong? Do you just chalk it up as a "missed prediction" just like when you private messaged me predicting who I was (and was wrong)?
Now we have semi-delusional members spreading information (bette posts in virtually every single thread in this forum) that seem to lack any 'real' fundamental knowledge of the theory. All they do is recite information from the MBT book and lectures Tom has given, and provide no insight of true value. There is a direct comparison here (you could even just call it an analogy) to devout religious people. They found a text that seems to impact their life perfectly, and now they're behind it 110% with no skepticism, just trying to spread the good word by reciting the words they read in that text.
From an outside skeptics perspective, these people add only negative value to the argument by tarnishing it with simply delusional beliefs. I cannot take one single word 'bette' (and some of the other -most active- members on this form that are just regular people who found some higher meaning in their life) says and treat it with any form of logical respect because of absurd objective statements like "The world is going to undergo a massive shift in 2012 towards female type energy." That's what the Y2K people said (there were books written about it and everything)...
All in all, I still believe the best way for me to come to an objective conclusion is by working on meditation and connecting with my inner-self. Because the objective fact that can be proven is, when you die, it's just you and your consciousness...nothing else. That's why I think Buddhists/monks/etc kind of have the right idea, even if they are fundamentally wrong. Live your life for inner peace and happiness because that's all you should do. If you're right, welcome to the afterlife you're ready for it. If you're wrong, you simply fade back into the system and have no memory of what happened...no harm done.