No, it isn't.

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Mike

Ted, I don't think the particular session that gomer wants (with Tom and Dennis in separate rooms sharing an experience) is in the explorer tapes currently released by TMI. I could be wrong, but I'm pretty sure I listened to all the ones with Tom in it.

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It takes a body of evidence for science. What I offered just one data point. One bit to the supposed mountain of data Monroe and Campbell were supposed to be amassing. You do understand this right? Plus Campbell is a competent scientist based on what I've read of his work and given his employment.

Mike,

That information is there on their web site. I do not remember where exactly. I do remember that there was a video of Robert Monroe discussing what happened. This was in one of the sessions showing RM interacting with classes there at TMI. The original tapes may or may not be available or perhaps not even existing any more. They did not consider it objective proof at that time. They very much considered it as subjective proof amongst themselves. The tapes were the property of TMI and I believe Tom has commented that he does not know where or if they exist any more. I believe that Tom and Dennis Minnerich have discussed this on a video also when he came to one of the seminars Tom gave as I remember it.

Gomer's attitude is not such as to induce me to spend hours looking for what he wants. He can go there and look for it himself but there IS some information on this remaining. Since he is so adamant as to what he wants, he is likely to be disappointed no matter what it is. No one considered it 'objective proof' of anything and readily reproducible by any interested scientist. Tom and Dennis were the only two humans with that developed capability at that time. They and RM knew just how much effort, special self taught learning and 'inventiveness' went into that moment. But they knew it would not be reproducible and by just anyone any time soon. That is, whatever Gomer wants, not objective evidence that would sway the monolith of "Science" as it existed and exists. He is doomed to disappointment by his attitude.

Ted

Gomer's attitude? I think Gomer was treated unfairly and he does have a point about your condescending attitude, Ted. I've actually invited Gomer to join OBE4u as the people are friendlier there. After he requested the information all you and your moronic members did was say that he doesn't understand, doesn't see the light and that his attitude stinks. Then finally someone had the balls to say there is no verification.

And to think that perhaps I had been a little harsh with you guys when I was Summerlander. I am appalled at the way you treat newcomers, Ted. I don't know about Campbell but, if I were him, I would fire you! Gomer, let's get the fuck out of here and go to a place where people don't linger on scams or baseless theories. That other place where only facts are taken at face value.

Ted is worse than Blahrg from Astral Viewers...and Blahrg had a nerve. Ted, your holier-than-thou attitude and your defensiveness only demonstrates that Gomer has understood the book better than you and most people here. In here you either agree with mighty Ted or you get out. Nice going, Ted. I'll be sure to spread the word to everyone about the staff here...

See you never! LOL!

And speaking of people with a lot of nerve, everyone should keep in mind that FrEuD was actually Summerlander, returned in shallow disguise as someone else. It is not certain that that is the only additional name that he used as he is reported to do that on bulletin boards, pretending to be several persons who back each other up and are in full agreement while actually being just the one person but acting as a group for greater authority. Sort of like stuffing the ballot box in a local election.

Obviously a person of high quality consciousness and we should feel deprived in his absence!

Ted

What are you? 12?

Goodness.

As has been said repeatedly, anyone interested has to head out and prove or verify matters for himself. In the end, it is the only way.

Separately, there are so many anecdotal accounts out there in the literature that it is like doubting the existence of Antarctica, or the reality of the Moon landing. Antarctica might not exist. The Moon landing may never have been happened and all been staged. On the best evidence, I think that the Moon landing did occur, and that Antarctica does exist. And I have less personal experience with either than I do with the NPMR lands.

-Montana

Bette: this is my favorite post of all time from you...returning a professional loving answer to an insulting attack



...from wisdom of the desert

St. Antony teaches that a monk should be like a rock.

... leading him forth of the cell he showed him a rock and said to him, "Go, hurt that rock. Beat it unmercifully." This he did, and St. Antony asked him whether the rock made any answer. He said "No." Then St. Antony said to him, "You must attain to the position of the rock and not know when anyone is trying to hurt you."

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Does this PMR make my butt look big?

Has anyone noted G0m3r return to the board since FrEuD as an alias for Summerlander suggested that they leave? Is Gomer following instructions or is he in fact another alias for Summerlander? There is no evidence as such for this but there is the reported tactic of Summerlander to take up multiple identities from multiple computers on a forum to increase his leverage. All did harp on the same theme.

Ted

Thank you Randy. :)

If so Ted s/he is putting a lot of effort into it. I was/am always to lazy to be so manipulative. :)
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." Vonnegut

I think what you think of as manipulation, Tom would call civil order, at the mental level, not essential, not core, but helpful

constraining what you organically feel like doing with self discipline, your own internal mental ruleset

as Tom said in NC, within civil order, the potential for intensifying this business of "becoming love", accelerates

in my personal model, I see it as a process by which the left hemisphere increasingly tames the impulses of the R-complex (self-discipline), and over "time", the apparently "mystical" right hemisphere consequently tames the small science logic of the left hemisphere, eventually getting the railcars of the train in the correct order

right dominant (Tom's third order)
left subservient to right (Tom's second order)
R-complex subservient to left (Tom's first order)

but in balance, with each trifurcate being properly fed and groomed

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I suppose it all depends on what one feels organically like doing. If what one feels organically like doing does no harm and possibly some good while at the same time going against all the social norms so what? People have too many false hang-ups, hang-ups put their by lies they believe as what is correct when it is just what they have been fed. Good little people mind and follow the rules got me much more harm than good and I have learned better. I sometimes worry about what exists in the minds of those so happy to be controlled that they are so afraid of coming out if they were actually free. I think all the terrible things people that think others or themselves would do if not so controlled are just parts of the lies they've been fed by the Belief Systems they are limited by. I do what I feel like organically doing and it isn't anything to be ashamed of Randy. Are you saying that if you did what you organically wanted to do you would have something to be ashamed of?
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

hello my bananas

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....'we were on the edge of the desert, 100 miles from Barstow, when the drugs began to take hold'...HST

Tom's research into metaphysics cannot be proven objectively by PMR science but he explained it on the basis of PMR scientific theory so that the scientific community could relate.