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PostPosted: Sat Dec 31, 2011 11:59 am 
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There is nothing but suffering and pain in this plane, punctuated by seldom and very brief periods of relief.
I do not want to be here, let alone return here.
And why the hell should I?
Let me broadcast this now - I do not care about the greater consciousness. Let it die and end all our pain.


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Maximoog wrote:
There is nothing but suffering and pain in this plane, punctuated by seldom and very brief periods of relief.
I do not want to be here, let alone return here.
And why the hell should I?
Let me broadcast this now - I do not care about the greater consciousness. Let it die and end all our pain.
That's sad as heck you feel like that. It isn't that easy though because it just continues so best make the best of it is my suggestion. Welcome to Tom's MBT discussion forums.
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Maximoog wrote:
There is nothing but suffering and pain in this plane, punctuated by seldom and very brief periods of relief.
I do not want to be here, let alone return here.
And why the hell should I?
Let me broadcast this now - I do not care about the greater consciousness. Let it die and end all our pain.


So you want the larger consciousness to die (and all the smaller sets of consciousness with it) because you dont want to be here? This is a bit childish (and with all due respect, AWFULLY SELFISH)
Remember that you are the architect of your reality. If you are in a situation that is unpleasant, ask yourself...How did I contribute to, (or escalate) this situation? The feelings that you are having are part of the feedback mechanism. How else would we know
how we are doing? Just ask yourself "How do I feel?"
If you dont like it you should change it (or change yourself). If you cant change it, you should remove yourself from the situation. If you cannot remove yourself from it, and you cannot change it, you need to accept it.
Just because the only viable option that you are aware of is DEATH to the entire consciousness system doesnt mean that there arent other viable options. You just arent aware of them at this moment.

Fortunately for us...
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"The universe is not required to be in perfect harmony with human ambition."
~Carl Sagan

The larger consciousness system will continue evolving with or without you.

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If we long to believe that the stars rise and set for us, that we are the reason there is a Universe, does science do us a disservice in deflating our conceits?
~Carl Sagan


Because...
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Who are we? We find that we live on an insignificant planet of a humdrum star lost in a galaxy tucked away in some forgotten corner of a universe in which there are far more galaxies than people.
~Carl Sagan


But one of his greatest discoveries (in my opinion) was this:

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For small creatures such as we, the vastness is bearable only through love.
~Carl Sagan


...and you want it all to stop because YOU are not having fun?

But when it comes to suffering, I have come to see it in this sense...

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“We're in a freefall into future. We don't know where we're going. Things are changing so fast, and always when you're going through a long tunnel, anxiety comes along. And all you have to do to transform your hell into a paradise is to turn your fall into a voluntary act. It's a very interesting shift of perspective and that's all it is... joyful participation in the sorrows of the world and everything changes.”
― Joseph Campbell, Sukhavati


Here are some more words of wisdom from Joe...
found here
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Joseph_Campbell
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It's a wonderful, wonderful opera, except that it hurts. Episode 2, Chapter 15.

People ask me, "Do you have optimism about the world, about how terrible it is?" And I say, "Yes, it's great the way is it" ... I had the wonderful privilege of sitting face to face with [a Hindu guru] and the first thing he said to me was "Do you have a question?", cause the teacher always answers questions... I said, "Yes, I have a question." I said, " Since in Hindu thinking all the universe is divine, a manifestation of divinity itself, how can we say no to anything in the world? How can we say no to brutality to stupidity to vulgarity to thoughtlessness?" And he said, "For you and me, you must say yes." Well, I learned from my friends who were students of his that that happened to be the first question he asked his guru, and we had a wonderful conversation for an hour there. Episode 2, Chapter 12.

Campbell: Eternity isn't some later time. Eternity isn't a long time. Eternity has nothing to do with time. Eternity is that dimension of here and now which thinking and time cuts out. This is it. And if you don't get it here, you won't get it anywhere. And the experience of eternity right here and now is the function of life. There's a wonderful formula that the Buddhists have for the Bodhisattva, the one whose being (sattva) is illumination (bodhi), who realizes his identity with eternity and at the same time his participation in time. And the attitude is not to withdraw from the world when you realize how horrible it is, but to realize that this horror is simply the foreground of a wonder and to come back and participate in it. "All life is sorrowful" is the first Buddhist saying, and it is. It wouldn't be life if there were not temporality involved which is sorrow. Loss, loss, loss.
Moyers: That's a pessimistic note.
Campbell: Well, you have to say yes to it, you have to say it's great this way. It's the way God intended it.


...and so it is that by the heat of fire and pounding of the hammer that steel is forged strong. By the intense heat and pressure of the Earth that a lump of coal is made into a diamond.

But, in the words of Rumi, (a 13th-century Persian, Muslim poet, jurist, theologian, and Sufi mystic.)
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"If you are irritated by every rub, then how will you be polished?" ~Rumi

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rumi

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“Your task is not to seek for love, but merely to seek and find all the barriers within yourself that you have built against it.”
― Rumi

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Hi Maximoog, I understand your sentiment...but you said it yourself like the periods of relief it is fleeting and you will not always feel this way. You don't have to do 500 push ups a day to evolve, (metaphorically speaking), the desire to not want to evolve or participate in reality is I am afraid part of your own personnel evolution process. Evolving is going to happen like it or not, just in your own way. When you focus on the intensity of all the pains around you and nothing else, then its going to be bleak. As many said before its not important to know all the great truths and possible responsibilities, however you did come here to learn (forum) so a part of you does care, take that part of you and when a moment of relief comes use them both to jump ship.

Ill put my hand up and say I do want to experience pain, but I will complain when it hurts, so please don't let it die.

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Sounds like u need to party... Have you tried drugs yet?

I'm partially kidding. Have fun no matter what, is good advice.

seems all the fun things that are possible are tainted by something. I would find it and slowly remove it by taking value off it and putt it on the opposite.
Personal Ex: lots of choices to avoid talking in a group (from some inaccurate value placed on doing so) will make it horrible to do so. body will instantly react and now lots of opportunity for fun is cut off. To correct make many choices to engage in talking in groups and (place value other way...Value in terms of what is defined to make life meaningful) Then when one will eventually be money in groups and have fun.

I would say if
1. people are fun
2. take all need for material stuff (money) away
3. Remove what ever stops one form being totally then selves around opposite sex.

Lots of things wiill be fun.

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MaxiMoog-

Do you have access to clean water, food and shelter? If the answer is yes (and I assume it is because you have an internet connection), then might I ask, what is so bad? What gives you the right to complain? Why do you write about life being only briefly punctuated by moments of relief? What is causing you so much distress, so much of the time?

There is the potential for joy on this "plane" and others. Why would you want to give that up?


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Maximoog,

Lena started a thread here that you might find is a reply of sorts to your thread. viewtopic.php?f=5&p=49007#p49007 As Adviaita points out above, as you clearly have an Internet connection, this implies that you also have access to clean water, food and shelter. Do you realize that this puts you in the fortunate minority of earth's 7+ billion inhabitants? Tom's MBT trilogy of books explains why you are in fact here. You as you really exist in totality as an IUOC within consciousness space have an entirely different point of view of the situation. It is there that you made the decision to incarnate, based upon this larger viewpoint, and it is there that you will no doubt make that same decision later to undertake a new incarnation. It will be more fruitful if you try to read and assimilate all of Tom's available information as teachings to help you understand and more usefully function as you pass through this PMR kindergarten yet again.

Have you considered anti depressants?

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Maximoog,

you don't have to care about LCS, and you don't have to make any move to evolve. Live your life, as most others do, get up in a morning and go to bed at night, and never be concern with this kind of things, simply live it day by day. Don't worry about coming back here, that is not your immediate problem at all. Life is about living it, and it is good enough for the most of us.

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Maximoog wrote:
There is nothing but suffering and pain in this plane, punctuated by seldom and very brief periods of relief.
I do not want to be here, let alone return here.
And why the hell should I?
Let me broadcast this now - I do not care about the greater consciousness. Let it die and end all our pain.

Than you for the post, it seems like you might be here for the object of change.I come in contact with this mind set a lot and honest people like you keep me feeling good most of the time.Keep sharing your feelings,we all get down from time to time the best remedy I have found is to get out of myself and make somebody else feel better. I have also found that drugs seem to be the problem more than the solution,so it seems to me. Good luck and keep sharing Fred


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Bad things happen ....it is how we handle them that helps make the difference in how we feel.
2 quick suggestions:
1) Smile - really..just the physiology of smiling will give you a boost. Try it often.
2) Fill your mind with positive information as much as possible. What you feed your mind will affect how you think. Why fill it with negative garbage when there is a lot of beautiful information and people out there to talk to?
I have said the same words as you...I do not want to come back....trust me I know the feeling!
There are difficulties but if you view our life experience as a learning ground for loving, always knowing that essentially you and everyone you love is eternally safe and cared for, then it is easier. If you view every angry person or episode as a loud cry for help (Vs allowing our egos to guide us and have us behave in an angry manner as well just perpetuating the issue.) and bless that person, I honestly believe you will feel better. Best advice I have ever received is take EVERY thought that enters your mind and put a positive twist on it ...and yes, that is a challenge....from a recent article and entirely paraphrased:
Example - someone steals your shoes, instead of anger think of it as one less piece of bad Karma you have to carry (Someone just stole the bad karma away! Poor person!)


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Hi infinitejewel and welcome to Tom's MBT discussion forums.
Love to you and yours,
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Thank you Bette :) I a looking forward to completing Tom's MBT trilogy.
Love and peace to all - Laura


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Rite on maximoog, with the incredibly low quality of homo sapiens (most of them dead but wont lay down), what is so wrong with being infuriated? Most homo's are unconscious. So I want to achieve. The homo saps are cyborgs set at killing the earth and folk expect you to be a dizzy happy idiot. Yes ignorance is bliss. But I am not ignorant, and I would sure like to be happy but these homo fools sure make earth a living hell. It's fine for all the MORONS, and no one is decent enough to just accept that one is exacerbatingly disgusted with the lack of consciousness and the utter stupidity of the human species. Yes I would like help, but it is so hard when you are trying to do the right thing by nature and decency, and everywhere around you is mass stupidity.
I want to be happy, but I am also very aware that our planet/life support system, is being laid to waste by the stupidity of unconscious masses of ugly, egotistical idiots. What about harming the planet through utter ignorance?, is that supposed to be acceptable?
I do want help, can anybody help me go beyond rage?
If your not enraged your not paying attention. Bill Molison who created permaculture says he is driven by anger. Maybe it is the only thing that tells me I am conscious. Some of the best sense I get when searching for truth on youtubeaversity comes from the church of Satan. Bet people will get their heckles up at that.


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Maybe as soon as you start to feel a particular emotion such as anger towards the outside we then become unconscious ourselves, I get this myself (specially with lack of sleep) but if we look at the outside as a lesson and a manifestation of our inner then its how we handle it personally I think thats the key, the lesson is personal and the outside can show the broadness of polarities when it comes to the people we seem to share PMR with.

Soon as we start to judge the lessons it becomes the Ego, the trick I feel is to see the emotion rise in consciousness, realize its Ego and let it fall not holding onto the pain it may present.

With the whole choice thing this makes me think, it seems like data is given if we ask for it and for myself fear sometimes stops me, and so I ask for it in intervals I can handle.

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My private world is wonderful, I collect fruit trees, herbal medicines, I help heal others, I grow fish in aquaponics, left to my own creation my world is approaching the garden of Eden. My cat is a delight to my soul and my home is a joy to nature, I also know at least one decent person. But as soon as I head outside, and I see meth amphetamine goblins and retarded monsters. A world of madness where automaton organic droids follow the mindless programming of toxic self indulgence, a temple to the poisoning of earth and natural beauty. It is absolute insanity and completely unconscious. I get angry, very fing angry. I work at Perth City Farm and I help lots of people. But the density of the world is so damn frustrating I get enraged. I sleep very well. My anger is from a greater vision, a great disappointment at humanity. I expect a lot of myself, I am satisfied with my own expectations. What can I do? Why is the world so stupid? It is very upsetting. Why can consciousness let such bad things happen? It's not good enough.
Good on you Maximoog for saying your truth. Most people wont let people be negative. Whats the problem? Are they afraid? Bring me the Boss, I would smash it in the face and say "How does it feel? Satisfied now?" How dare it let such immense suffering go on. I am conscious and I am enraged.


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