A PMR is where the traction is which helps Evolve the Larger Consciousness System rather than NPMR spinning nonphysical wheels.
Love
Bette

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All That Is
what is?
Consciousness.

I believe lower entropy beings, such as Tom, can shift awareness and process more than one data stream at a time. I don't think this would make things seem less real, or lose it's meaning.

I would guess it flops the other way.

I think the key is strangling your ego, your false front, not caring what others think of you, giving up this core project of directing the man in front of the curtain, and starting to experience real pain and pleasure, rather than the pseudo life of ego feedback.

So you drive an old rusty car...but it gets you there...but debt free...this is part of authentic living

When you interact with people, you set aside trying to impress them...rather, you focus on their concerns...this sets up some very real and helpful paradigms for you

You start to invest in your right hemisphere in some way....you may have a very cranky neglected right hemisphere...a little bit goes a long way when you are dieing of thirst

And then your actual environment starts to shift because you are traveling down a different decision tree

If the bar you set for yourself is to find a few beans to eat, and experience a day of adventure...interaction with others...refining your emotional defense skills....where is the pain?

Have you seen American Beauty...note the final scene

If you have some sort of chronic physical pain, I suppose you could use PSI to take PMR breaks

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Does this PMR make my butt look big?

I think this bears repeating, emphasis and contemplation

as a yoga instructor once said ...

"relax your anus" ; - )

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Does this PMR make my butt look big?

HA!
Fred searching for truth

Hi all,

I'm new to this forum. I've read all of Robert Monroe's books. I'm on the first book of Tom's trilogy. I'll just jump right in here, and great to meet you all.

"I don't want to evolve".

I get that way sometimes. It's strange how you reflect my exact sentiments at times in your short little rant. My guess is that you feel this way SOMETIMES but not all the time. My further guess is that it's not possible for you to feel this way all the time. When life is good, or things are going your way, how can you complain? I'm just as "selfish" as the next guy when it comes to this. I wish I could say I was Mr. Compassion and tolerance at all times, but this would be beyond false.

Just because we're on the spiritual path and asking the deeper questions doesn't mean life is a bed of roses. As a matter of fact, things usually get tougher the more knowledge we acquire or open ourselves up to. I would say that in some cases the more pissed off you are the greater probability that you're right where you should be. Just stay off drugs and try to eat the right foods and let yourself get as angry as you need to. Let it out by screaming or shouting in private. Exercise when you can and live life to the fullest degree possible. It's a short ride and it's a good idea to enjoy it while you can...even the painful parts.

That's my Dr. Phil rant for the day. Again, it's good to meet you all. Hope to talk to some of you soon.

Matt

You do have a point, the pain here can be beyond description simple facts some of us do not make it. if we learn from these experiences we usually are the stronger for them, the stuff here can really hit the fan fast, i do not know anything about Dr Phil, but for me reacting on anger has never got me anywhere, i prefer to change the way i react to these negative emotions, why add to the pain when we can change ourselves for the better. Life experiences here can be incredibly challenging and we do have a great deal of power over our reality, once we realize that we start to become more evolved beings, we feel better, life becomes more meaningful, we tap in to a much better way of living. Sabby

I like your post enraged but being angry at other peoples under achievements in your perspective is also another reason for people to be enraged, were all stupid and ignorant, more or less at different points in our life, i don't think the human brain is wired for great beginnings hence the nature/purpose of this reality. However intense suffering especially viewed at a personal level is very hard to get your head around but if it was then how much would you learn?

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....'we were on the edge of the desert, 100 miles from Barstow, when the drugs began to take hold'...HST

Anger is fear. Maybe it is not the best thing to give in to it. It might be better to find out what you are afraid of and deal with it. Overcoming fear is one of our biggest challenges in the physical reality. A lot of fear arises when we feel we don't control the situation.

One of Tom's best quotes: Learn to live gracefully with uncertainty.

Hello,
Savvy, Harveyshideout and Sainbury...

Great to meet you guys. I'll get right to my point.

I'm not advocating fear as an alternative to dealing with ones personal issues. However, for those of us who are packed with just a little more passion, a good private scream or yell as well as some exercise can do some good. I bang away at loud music on my guitar. It's very therapeutic, trust me. The main thing is not to hurt another person physically or mentally if at all possible. And, the goal is, of course, to eventually master our fears. Need I say that I'm not there yet? What do you think I'm doing in this "day care center?"
I've got my spiritual diapers on and I'm ready to learn how to walk, folks. That's all I can tell you at this time.

Matt

Well Matt you do have a point again, glad to see you are enjoying the ride, it is good you are finding a way that suits you. Being yourself and realizing where you are at in the game is i think honest and wise. Glad you are here and keep telling it as you see it. Sabby

Hello Sabby,

Sorry I spelled your name wrong. Apparently, my fears aren't the only thing I need to overcome. My punctuation along with my attention to details would come in handy as well. I think my ADD has come to the surface yet again.

However, I'm almost positive I'm on the right planet. The last time I looked, I'm surrounded by a nation of ADD hopefuls looking to crawl out of that debilitating mental disorder. Or is it possible that the average, normal person is under attack by the over achievers? They're like 'catch up, people...here, take some of these pills'.

That's my ADD strikes back rant for the day. I'll try to get back to the subject at hand. I just have to try to remember what it was. (a stab at humor.)

spirituality is not about forcing one to be perfect

Spirituality= the love of having fun_The love of having fun= Spirituality. Sabby

From the Merriam Webster on line dictionary.

Definition of SPIRITUALITY
1: something that in ecclesiastical law belongs to the church or to a cleric as such
2: clergy
3: sensitivity or attachment to religious values
4: the quality or state of being spiritual

This is the traditional definition. I would say that it is too restrictive in the statement of definition 3 in its reference to 'religious' values. In present usage in general society, in America at least, and here on this board, what would be considered as spiritual values would not be limited to religious values.

What is the redeeming social value of this word play? It is more likely to confuse readers than anything.

Ted

Hi Ted

Yes...I'm not only easily confused, there's a good chance the whole thing will fly over my head like a beautiful soaring eagle that doesn't exist.

MBT isn't as "user friendly" as the videos. I would dare say that the book is geared more for you left brainers and the video for ADD righties like me. However, I'm not letting it stop me from plowing on through. Right now I'm getting ready to read Flatland by Edward Abbot as Tom suggested.

Evolution is a slow process.