rossw,
whilst I accept your point about mass extinctions (since I made it first!), I must point out that your argument has shifted. You are moving the goalposts. You start off by saying our PMR environment is of limited value and finish up by saying PMR Earth is a rich environment driven by a great spirit. You can't have it both ways. Or maybe you can - superposition of alternatives?

Our environments bad condition (in this case) is caused by our intent, change the intent and you change the environment. NOT the other way around.

So.. do you have any suggestion to turn the situation around?

My best suggestion for you and me, is that we lower our entropy (higher quality of consciousness). Our own being is what one can change most, and by changing yourself you change everything around you (result of the evolution), so by focusing on ones own being you in the same process naturally change the environment (external) around you.

I think that would be more productive, in any matter.

To All,

I have recently commented on another thread that you should consider the possibility that Tom's research and writing of MBT and my own involvement in a parallel effort plus the many signs of the concept of our local 'physical' reality as a virtual reality showing up in 'science' in multiple ways is in fact an NPMR based effort to change the present paradigm and alter societal trends. There is a wide spectrum of interest in 'New Age' type concepts coinciding with the world wide, individual to individual, communication breakthrough enabled by the globalization of the Internet. Tom, by virtue of his conscious access to NPMR and his activities there and the planning that went into his undertaking this work, has commented on his work being essentially an assignment from NPMR. I don't have Tom's conscious access, but by virtue of my life time interests and development suspect that I might be a parallel, possibly fall back, part of this plan.

The things that you are expressing concerns about here might already have an NPMR planned fix in the works. Still a long way off, but perhaps a family of ideas whose time has come. And you might be part of that fix.

Ted

I am getting comfortable with the concept that the earth is virtual too, and have long thought it has shrugged us off more than once before because we didn't get it. Our job is to catch it before it does it again, if we can, and if it is in line with our Absolute Free Will (AFW). If we don't then it will just be rendered again because it is one heck of a useful learning environment, in my opinion.
Love
Bette

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Consciousness.

Congratulations Ted. You have been chosen by "the system". You forgot to mention me! I've been chosen to give you a hard time so that you are better prepared to handle the PMR toughness around :)


Have a great weekend everybody.

Claudio

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Claudio,

I did not forget you by any means. I don't like to make very long addressee lists of those to whom I am writing a post and the post was meant literally to all of the participants on the forums. As the list of addressees would have been at least 3 people, I said all instead. And you, Claudio, were also included among those who should realize that they might be part of the developing 'fixing' of PMR and it's path.

You, Claudio, are certainly intelligent enough to develop a full understanding of Tom's model of Consciousness Space from My Big TOE. Tom has made it clear in previous comments that he believes that you are on your way to such an understanding. It will come, no doubt, with a little more thought and experience. In my comments to you of the past, as well as to others, I try to make comments that will add to understanding, point out things that are being left out of their thinking but should be considered and correct specific and clear misunderstandings so that they do not confuse others if left uncorrected. Tom has been gracious enough to entrust me to do this and to thank me for my efforts so far, of which trust and thanks I am frankly proud. Also that he has chosen to add some of my written thoughts in effect to his model by virtue of choosing to post them here and comment on them positively as a contribution.

I should perhaps have made a more clear post immediately above in that by a 'fix' I did not mean anything that would be analogous to fixing a broken machine. Rather that I specifically meant the addition of concepts from the past that have come to be ignored in the face of the success of the scientific model of reality. The concept that Consciousness is the root basis of our reality as has been religiously expressed for much of recorded history in multiple societies and now extended in Tom's My Big TOE. This is a reintroduction with the addition and integration of a scientific viewpoint and digital concepts to the original ideas.

Ted

vzam said:
You start off by saying our PMR environment is of limited value and finish up by saying PMR Earth is a rich environment driven by a great spirit. You can't have it both ways. Or maybe you can - superposition of alternatives?

rossw says:
You mock me, sir. You imply that I have compartmentalised two opposing beliefs so that I do not need to apply the light of reason to them; following which one will be ruthlessly extirpated and the other left to stand alone in the sun.

Bah! That's no way to grow a forest. Such exclusive thinking does you no credit. As Ambassador Spock finally said in ‘The Undiscovered Country', "Logic is only the beginning".

Here's another ‘superposition': I believe I have no power in the world, minimal significance and utility; I would say goodbye to the world tomorrow. Yet at the same time, I am very grateful to my body and whatever forces inform it, and think it's miraculous that it has sustained me in the world these 56 years.

I feel perfectly comfortable holding such opposing beliefs. Doubtless I could come up with some rational justification why they are not, in fact, contradictory, but I refuse the intellectual challenge. Intuitively and emotionally, they feel right to me. It's called ‘subjective truth'. I recommend it as a way of interpreting the world as it appears before you. Ruling things out is not the only option.

Ted said:
The things that you are expressing concerns about here might already have an NPMR planned fix in the works. Still a long way off, but perhaps a family of ideas whose time has come. And you might be part of that fix.

rossw says:
Now, that's a tantalising thought! Could such a fix really get through to 'the man on the Clapham Omnibus' (or, these days, 'the man in his Ford Mondeo')?

Are you saying that you understand MBT better than me? How can you know that?

I understand that you are acting as Tom "right hand" here with his support and approval, but if you think that that is enough to make you superior to anybody else in the board is a clear sign that you are not evolved enough. You should not just add information to all people here only on your basis that you know more about MBT and everybody else is not quite there. This attitude limits yourself. Evolved beings don't think in "superiority" terms. I can see that in Tom. He is very humble and respectful of the understanding of everybody. The title of the book starts with "My" so that each individual can build their own Big Toe's their way, so THERE IS NOT "ONE WAY" FOR ALL WHICH EVERYBODY HAS TO LEARN LIKE IN A SCHOOL CLASS. I analyze Tom words and how he acts and I find them good for me to follow to try to improve myself. I also try to detect good things from other people (anybody), but on that way I also detect negative things (I can't help that). I don't consider anybody superior or inferior in these boards. I think that trying to be humble is also a good way to try to evolve.

If somebody else was able to have more NPMR experiences, that doesn't make you or anybody else inferior or less lucky or whatever. Everybody has his/her own special way to evolve.

Claudio

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Claudio,

I am again most likely wasting my time since you only pay attention to what you want to and repeatedly illustrate this. It is my job at Tom's request to do what I do on the boards as I have pointed out and you have ignored. I have also mentioned before that much of what I post is not from conscious sources until I start writing them out. I don't make a post unless I have an intuitive thought that I should. I frequently have to wait until the next day to have the advantage of whatever more is felt to be needed from unconscious sources that comes most readily during the night. I function differently than Tom and from a partly different viewpoint. I consider it a bit difficult to express a 'superior' attitude when you do not base what you are saying on conscious thoughts. I have repeatedly asked Tom to monitor what I am saying and point out mistakes so I do not repeat them.

I think that the way I function here is in part as an example that you do not have to travel OOB and explore NPMR in order to function with a connection to Consciousness Space and your total self. The majority of IUOCs do not have this ability to travel OOB at will. Your purpose here is to function here and within the rule set of PMR. OOBE and NPMR access is for a purpose related to you for purposes of expanding your understanding or viewpoint if this is felt to be needed. I also possibly function as a live example of the way that our virtual beings work whereby you can function in a VR without having in your conscious mind the full basis upon which you function. I have become used over years of doing so to functioning without fully conscious decisions and antecedents of actions. Really everyone does this but the vast majority simply do not recognize this.

You are the one trying to make this a contest of wills and superior knowledge. You are the one making pronouncements as opposed to expressing opinion with illustrations and explanations. So it appears to me. You cannot expect, in light of all the above, that I will ignore what appears to be a partial viewpoint or significant error of either omission or commission that would mislead someone else. Do not feel that you are being treated unfairly. You are permitted to post your opinions. This is not a threat, but I have the authority to curtail your posting ability, either temporarily or completely, remove posts and even generally treat you unfairly if I had the desire to do so. It is rather my desire to treat everyone fairly however, even if it means 'bending over backwards' as the old saying goes.

Sorry about that chief. Until Tom tells me otherwise, I see no basis for changing what I have to say here because you disagree. This does not seem to be a problem with most others. Complain to Tom if you feel the need.

Ted

Ted: You just made it clear that you are not willing to change for the better. You never accept any positive comments from me that can help you or help somebody else and you keep adding things about me that are not true that are your own creation.

If it makes you feel better to keep creating false statements about me and not accepting what people say (specially from me) keep doing it. It would be good for you if you take into account what people think and what people think about you and try to change yourself for the better instead of denying that and attacking the person that pointed an obervation. I tried to help you see what you don't want to see.

You can keep acting the way you want. You have free will. You can make this your board and do whatever you want. You have free will.

Claudio

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Claudio,
Can't you see that this is a test perhaps to see if "the world" is ready for MBT, and the changes adopting the MBT model will bring? If we can't even get along and respect wisdom here, then how in the world can we expect people even less organized than we might be to do so. I only have one feeling left, and this is hurting it, it is affecting the quality of my life because this board is important, please stop. You too have absolute free will. Could you be mistaking wisdom for authority, and having a negative reaction to that?
Love
Bette

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Consciousness.

Quod Erat Demonstrandum

Hahaha,

This was getting pretty good, Claudio remember everything and everyone is a test/teacher to some degree. you can look back and see the ego buttons being pressed. Just recognize them, deal with them and move on.

thynes

I can get along. I don't attack people creating statements from nowhere and put them in other people's mouths. How can we improve the world if you are one sided? If you always attack me and defend Ted, no matter what. When you say, please stop, say it to the one that is attacking. I never said I am against Ted's authority. I am OK with that. To see what was my reaction re-read my posts, and re-read Ted's posts, because apparently you think Ted is perfect and he cannot make mistakes, never ever. Never able to admit he wasn't humble or tell anybody that has a different opinion on something that he is wrong because he doesn't think exactly the way he thinks. Also I feel you have a sense of superiority, so I guess we are different, definitely.

Claudio

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Good example for the person in charge of the board. I guess this is how you think a highly evolved being should act. What was demonstrated? That you just pleased your ego?

Claudio

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