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PostPosted: Fri Aug 19, 2011 9:56 pm 
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I get up several times a night to use the rest room, and I have newspapers on the floor in front of the bathroom door because they is where they fall off the end of my bed. There is a nice layer as I like to see entropy happen in non-sentient stuff I am starting to realize. Anyway, there are several days worth of papers laying there where from where I sit I can see them. I don't have my glasses on during the night.

So anyway, last night on one of my trips I noticed a brightly colors shiny paper add mostly black and red which was like a newspaper magazine looking thing with the title "Bookcases for Children" across it which I assumed was telling abut a children charity of that name giving children bookcases and maybe several books for it. I thought what a GREAT idea that was since that was one of the ways social services judges a house (parent) for parenting skills is if they have a bookcase with books for the children as I leanred earning my degree. That paper doesn't exist in the Reality frame. It is no where to be found, and I saw it for sure. Now I need to create the charity to go with the probability of it being a future thread and really not me having got up at all.

What I was thinking was ach child getting a bookcase like those short three shelf $20 Staples sells with a few books to start, but I think it would be more realistic and possibily meaningfull to give them a single shelf bookcase like I have had before that holds maybe 10 books at an angle, and several books. The charity will be called "Bookcases for Children" and I will probably just post a note about it on facebook to start.

I have looked for anything I could have misread without it showing up which is cool.
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Interesting that you thought of it as related to a charity to give bookcases and books to children. I would have thought of it as an ad at the local big box store with a gift idea to sell bookcases or just an extra stock of small bookcases.

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Ted Vollers wrote:
Interesting that you thought of it as related to a charity to give bookcases and books to children. I would have thought of it as an ad at the local big box store with a gift idea to sell bookcases or just an extra stock of small bookcases.

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That was exactly the kind of ad I was looking for as that was something I thought of too. Staples ad are green, blue and orange usally as this was Black and Red. I did find a black and red shiny ad which is what the Bookcases for Children was on, but it didn't even have large letters like what I "saw" so there is that. I put "Bookcases for Children" into a search to see if there was such a charity and got back info to buy bookcases for children, but no charity. Perhaps it means I should clean my room, but I will go with my original interpretation that I am suppose to start this charity. Plus it is important, it means something to me to get kids their own bookcase of books.
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Sounds like a great idea Bette.


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Bette,

I have no doubt that it is a nudge from CS. But does it mean that Artie needs a book case or another major project for you to work on. One of the joys of excessive creativity or Attention Deficit Disorder, as you will, is coming up with more projects than one can reasonably accomplish within one lifetime. No doubt it is of value for children to have their own space as a book shelf or case that is theirs and just for their books and their toys and shared with no one else. That can get them started on a life of expanding literacy more than sitting in front of a TV can ever do. Nothing like spending time rereading for total comprehension of a growing group of books that you make specially your own to get you hooked on a lifetime of literacy instead of sound bites. Weekly trips to the library and brief contact with a book will not do the same thing.

Are you ready to parallel process yet another project?

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Are you ready to parallel process yet another project?
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Sainbury wrote:
Sounds like a great idea Bette.
Thanks Linda. Wouldn't it be great if the differently abled community could be put to work making the bookcases out of pine wood once it takes off. Ted, I'm an idea person rather than a doer I know, but I have to start somewhere.
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Bette,

Perhaps in local assembly and finishing. This can be done with simple hand tools and if the product is properly designed, can be almost fool proof in execution. That is, design and produce it so that it can only be put together the right way. The cutting and milling to finish or other operations like finish sanding involve tools that would be dangerous to anyone with cognitive or other impairments and would not be safe. Using hand tools for this operation would not produce good results and those would be the kind of hand tools that would be dangerous in these circumstances. I for instance would not trust myself to drive any more because my spinal mobility is so limited. Besides the real problem of getting through the car door, I could not look for threats to the side, even with mirrors. Nor are my hands so steady and sure in their motions or free of arthritic pain that I would trust myself not to miscue with a power tool. Without my spell checker to find all the finger miscues I would be in deep kaka. You would all be guessing what I meant.

Physical assembly with gluing and nailing and final finish with something like a wipe on or brush on stain that is not hazardous would be excellent work and therapy, so it seems to me. One could be proud of the results that could be produced. The same kind of thing is done for ordinary people in such things as grandfather clock kits where the intricate work of producing the clock action and complicated and finished wood pieces is done in a factory with final assembly and finishing left to the individual who purchased the kit. Expensive equipment and dangerous operations are not then required but the finished quality is still very much up to the individual finishing the item. You need a factory that can produce the wood pieces in mass and ship them to local sites for final assembly. With proper design, you would perhaps only need two types of parts, the end supports, both identical, and the shelves, all identical. Pick them up off the stacks and put them together. For the local sites, one only needs a work room and work tables and a few hand tools plus clean up facilities. The work tables can have built in fixtures to further assure proper assembly. I am probably not catching everything but this is the start of a process description if you find it of any value.

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Yes that is the idea Ted, two boards already smooth into two end pieces all identical. I've had a bookcase like that before I'm sure.
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Okay this is the basic idea, less baroque ends, flat slats rather than dowels, and longer.
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If you need any logos or designs drawing up Bette... please feel 'free' to give me a shout. It's my thing. :)


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That is another possible approach, other than being a boy scout thing with those end panel designs. If you only want a limited capacity and to fit on a desk, you could do it with simpler end pieces and doweling is cheap. That only takes glue to put together, presuming you get the ends pre drilled which I would suggest. Cutting the dowels to length from a longer standard length would be a potential problem of injury.

I can do a 3D CAD drawing that would be a suitable design if you settle on a size and complexity that you like and accept as suitable. I assumed something like 3 feet tall to 4 feet tall with 2 or 3 shelves and end panels. You could go with smaller and cheaper stock, say 4" X nominal 1" which would be actual about 3.5 in. X .75 in. Then you could put 3 slats in to make a V or better 4. Then it could be 2 feet to 3 feet wide. Plain flat shelves if you want books only. Lots of options to a design. Then there is the fact that wide boards, like 12" for ends producing a reasonable depth are getting harder to come by and more expensive. If the ends could acceptably be done with the same 'slat' stock as the shelves somehow, it could be cheaper for materials and easier to come by at the expense of more difficult assembly. A jig and fixtures setup makes things like this easier. Look on the web at commercially available designs and come up with the range of size and complexity you want or consider acceptable. Or perhaps stay unspecified in details until you get some interest going. You can produce more than one design as well.

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Thanks you guys. It is going to be three slats maybe 18" long and an inch wide like paint stirrers, two in the back one on the bottom holding the books at an angle, and two plain end pieces maybe with a design on them. The differently abled community will process the pieces after they are cut per abilities and desire including sanding etc. up to and including creating "kits" of a complete bookcase assembly that just pops together when the owner gets it "home", and three books into a box. All the same so handing them out is smooth. The three books included will change but the design and packaging will be the same always. People that want to support the endeavor can order up how ever many kits they want to distribute or have distributed for them by the differently abled community and the "mentally ill" community too, they can make them too if they want. That's my thinking right now anyways.
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You could probably get the standard cut to length base for paint stirrers, without the cutouts on the sides of one end for the handle end, from the same people who make the paint stirrers for the paint departments of all the big box stores. That would probably not be too long and become too flexible in that length to support a few books. Especially since the bottom corner of the book could be arranged to sit on the table. Your 'book case' merely makes them stand upright rather than lay in a stack.

There is an extra complication for the end pieces. The slats must insert into the end pieces for strength and assurance of construction geometry. This means milling a slot rather than just drilling a hole for dowel rods. If they do not insert, there is nothing to provide strength except the glue and nothing to provide certainty of location but the skill of the assemblers. You must have milled slots. If you require some shaping of the ends for appearance sake, this is not too excessive an extra cost as a jig fixture and milling is likely the easiest way to produce something like a rounded and curved top and a matching curve on the bottom creating a front and rear leg effect on the same machine that mills the slots. Investigate the availability of stub ends from nominal 12" X 1" boards, 12" long or longer to provide the end panels.

Assemble them with white wood glue and set them aside for drying on a flat surface to assure that they are not skewed in assembly. Then a little finish sanding and application of a stain, possibly an oil stain. If you want a logo on each end, a stencil and a stencil brush could apply that within the constraints of the 'labor force'.

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Bette,

Maybe your supersoul / inner-self / subconscious / I-There / callitwhatyouwant just found a way to tell you something you deeply want to do ... if this was a career choice for you when younger, this is probably an idea you are playing with since some times :)

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