Just today I met a person who told me he was a in a serious car accident where he was offically dead for a short time before being resuscitated by medical personel. I know this to be true because physically his body is traumatized with slight paralysis and I know he makes his story quite known.

I asked him out of curiosity what he remembered after the accident and prior to waking up in the hospital. He was a little hesitant and replied back to me "Do you really want to know?" I told him I was interested in finding out and needed to hear what he had to say. Anyhow, he told me there is life after death, but its not the same as in physical reality. Its much more like energy and you experience things around you more vividly and they are more real than in PMR. He told me he encountered two entities, one who wanted him to stay in NPMR and another who wanted him to return to life in PMR.
He told me everyone in NPMR are adults and this one particular person who wanted him to return, he especially remembered because of her eyes.
Years later he encountered those eyes again and found them to be his daughters who was not born yet at the time of the accident.

Anyhow, make it as you wish. I never experienced an NDE, but I thought it to be an interesting account from someone who did. How do you think this fits into the MBT model? I see many simularities.

It rings true alright. The LCS is like a full theater, it plays the role of the cop and it plays the role of the thief simultaneously out there. Whatever works. The rest of what he described about the afterlife is essentially what MBT describes. I am surprised that he was able to pierce through the alluring illusion of "It's like heaven and you meet your loved ones there and you all live happily ever after upon a cloud" and instead saw the truth for what it is. I believe that that's the spirit of an explorer right there in your friend. To experience new territory and be able to report back your experiences unbiased.

By the way this reminded me of Jill Bolte taylor's video on NDE. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyyjU8fzEYU

Gave me chills, thanks. :)
Love
Bette

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Consciousness.

One way to indirectly experience NPMR is to ask people who have been through physical trama, or the very old, if they have had any paranormal experiences.

More often than not, I get something along the lines of this story, or a second hand story that has significance for the teller

When a person is telling you something that is dissonant from conventional beliefs, that is valuable information, they tell it in in a certain way, with a certain indifference to convincing you, when they are not at the same time trying to convince themselves or prop up a belief system

"are you sure you want to know" is something one would say, if the teller recognizes the strangeness and significance of the information

Another tool is to hang out out at NDERF for a while, though I must warn you, knowledge of NPMR without a model seems to make some people very grouchy.

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There is lots of information out there. I started with Raymond Moody's work years ago and have a large library to date. I believe they have much to teach us about the meaning of life. Love, being it. Lots of research has been done to verify life changes after having an NDE as well. People often take a 180 afterwards. I also am interested in ADC's (after death communication), but haven't seen that mentioned in the forum yet.
Thanks for sharing.
Diane

I am into ADC, but not anyone else I suspect. John Edward and Lilydale, spiritualism...things that are in my background if you want to get into it.

This is not something Tom has gotten into in any way.

Key thing is to acknowledge these things, then move toward our shared language and model.

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I believe Tom has gotten into this a little bit. In some of the YouTube videos he mentions that the communications you have with loved ones that are no longer in the VR is in almost all cases just your interface with the LCS in a way that is most acceptable to you.

If you have a communication with the person shortly after they have died it may really be them. After that they are busy re-integrating into their IUOC, doing a life review, and getting ready to incarnate again. They are not hanging around this VR to monitor your progress and help you as is so comforting a thought to so many.

Sorry, but MBT isn't sentimental. It is more about how things really work than making you feel secure in a delusion. This was a hard aha moment for many of us. I think Lena has written about this a few times as she used to feel her grandmother's presence around her. She now accepts that it is just her connection with the LCS.

I had a very vivid dream about my husband shortly after he passed. I do think that this was really him. The information he gave me was about him and not in anyway about me. I have had many dreams about him since and they don't have the same feeling at all. Also, I have had many dreams about my mother (we were very close.) I don't think it was really her in any of them. I do feel her presence all the time but it is my fond memories of her and not really her consciousness.

When a medium "contacts" a dead loved one they are just reading the Past Data Base and not really in contact with that person.

My theory is that what we need to hear from passed loved one remains like a word bubble around us and when someone can see the data.word bubble like the Long Island Medium they read it for us. Just like a video game where people in the towns have word bubble you are suppose to read to learn something. It is what we need rather than the old character hanging around with a message for us as Linda said they don't do that as the LCS is not sentimental.

Love
Bette

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Sainbury,

I would think, that it is a combination of your memories of your mother and presence of your guides or helpers.

At first it was a shock to learn, that who I was thinking to be my beloved grandma is not her at all. Now I am glad, that she was not babysitting me, but moved forward with her development. After that I was able to accept a metaphor of bacterias in petri dish, I was able to appreciate LCS help and my personal interface in form of my guides, synchronicity and etc. I can understand people who come to mediums to ask about their loved one. I think they would feel much better, if they would learn, that there is a life after death, I mean a time in NPMR where your home is, and a new life here in PMR to learn, reduce fear and gain wisdom.

I think, that dream images of our loved ones are not them, but a comfortable and loving interaction LCS with us.

Lena

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To tell you the truth Lena, I don't think it is anything more than memories of my mother. I don't feel a connection to the LCS about it at all. But I am OK with that.

But I did have two very nice connections to my mother after my sister died. When I was cleaning out my sister's apartment I found every letter my mom had written my sister for the last 20 years. I brought a number of them back with me. I had such a great time reading them and seeing my mother's handwriting. It was as though she was talking to me with that wonderful specific language she used.

And one of the hardest things for me to reconcile after my sister's death was that there was no longer anyone in my life who remembered my childhood. My sister and I used to talk a lot about what a wonderful house we grew up in. Just last week while going through files on my computer to delete some, I found an email my sister wrote me on my mom's birthday in Feb 2009 (my sister died in Aug. 2009.) The email was full of remembrances of my mom and all her qualities and quirks. It was a goldmine for me and I will treasure it and re-read it from time to time. It gave me back that connection that I thought I had lost.

Linda

another way to characterise ADC that would be consistent with the model...

A) would indeed be to emphasize the importance of early communication within the between-life window, occuring soon after death, as mentioned just above. This would be when the IOUC is still partially integrated with the FWAU avatar personality we know and love.

B) but more importantly, understanding that a big part of ADC is to collect evidence that there is more to life than PMR, such that a convincing interaction with the probability avatar of a deceased individual, no longer animated by a free will IUOC, existing as an algorithm in the unactualized database, is still interesting information, can still be comforting, as an old photograph can be comforting, and is part of the puzzle of the greater reality.

C) and even more importantly, understanding that the Quality of Consciousness of that beloved FWAU actually carries on and is continuing to grow in another incarnation following a period of transition.

so, the model ends up being a much more comprehensive and satisfying scratch to the existential itch.

another aspect is that there is a great deal of widespread secular openness to ADC which presents an opportunity...my spouse, who is generally more skeptical than open regarding NPMR, had a very positive experience at Lilydale and is eager to return. She arranged tickets to John Edward who is coming to our town...JE was my gateway "drug" to NPMR.

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Getting very interesting here, This communication we get is usually closely correlated with our intent. If we have an intent to have ADC then it will probably show up in the form of synchronicity of something that is relevant to that of the deceased. Could it be that IUOC that played that person, yes, but i thing it would depend on their QoC, and their level of evolution to parallel process, most of the time i would say it would be our intent modifying the future probability as to help nudge us to continue our positive path, which is to continue our entropy reduction, and grow up . Which is done more fluidly without us being overwhelmed with grief, which in my view is the worst suffering that we can experience. Sabby

Just wanted to insert that not all ADC's are expected or asked for. The literature is full of cases where someone is visited by someone they have never known or did not know was dead. Information beyond the contactees experience has also been shared and only later been verified. I think it is possible to jump to conclusions on either side of this debate.

The LCS uses many opportunities to nudge someone to a realization of a larger reality.

Thank goodness!