Before I read My big TOE I learned about quantum physic's oddities and even pondered the possibility of the simulation hypothesis where this world may be a hologram. So when I read this book it didn't take too much of a leap to consider TC's theory. It wasn't an easy read and I will have to go back and reread much of the book but this is what I understand about the big picture:

Our consciousness is more real than this physical world. This physical, holographic universe was created for our consciousness, a part of AUM, to gain experience and to evolve. We are here to raise the quality of our consciousness and lower our entropy through love so we may have more energy for work thus AUM and other will also evolve. Intent is the key and the ego has no room for growth. We will never know the ultimate truth beyond a point but we can take ignorance as a humbling experience because the part can never know the whole.

Any input would be appreciated also! :)

It's also interesting to me that many of the concepts in quantum physics and MBT are similar to Buddha's teachings. I am in NO WAY religious by any means but I do think that some of our ancestors were able to gain knowledge through what TC could have went through; such as OBE and NPMR beings, or the Buddha realizing that we are all connected somehow, Buddha's insight of everything coming out of nothing, also even Buddha have said that his world is just an illusion and that our soul is where reality is, etc. Just a thought and many will argue against this but it seems like meditation could be a key to this NPMR. TC mentions this in his book and Buddha supposedly was a master in meditation.

I also want to mention that many scientists are talking more about the simulation hypothesis. Here is a clip of a BBC documentary called 'Are we real?':

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KOWzS_jk ... PL&index=0

The thing I do see, just like TC said, is that even the smartest humans are so tied down to this physical reality they can't even comprehend this paradigm shift. If these scientist would read MBT I think they would be willing to think outside the box a little bit more. Now, I have not experienced any OBE's or meetings with NPMR beings but I am meditating and I've bought the Hemi sync CD's to see if I'm able to experience a new found energy, but nothing yet. So until I am able to know this aspect of reality I'm still skeptical but very open to this idea. Anyone else have had OBE's and have met NPMR's? I haven't read anything about this.

I do have some questions:
1) If humans are able to have OBE's what about other advanced civilizations in the cosmos. I just can't believe that we're the only intelligent beings here. Are aliens able to do this as well? Just a thought....

2) One disappointment was that I thought TC would give instructions on how to use our intent to raise the quality of our consciousness but like he said we have to choose our own path and realize this ourselves. So what are the things you have read, done, thought and used love as your intent?

Thanks and I hope to gain more knowledge so I may use it wisely to raise the quality of my consciousness.

Good morning Vexx1978, and welcome to Tom's MBT discussion forums. I'd say a lot of our historical prognosticators used their access to the future probable threads to glean information of what MIGHT happen to then draw pictures on cave walls of, or write about. MBT answers several things like Nostradamus, much of the Ancient Astronaut Theory, Revelations, and the Nazca Lines just off the top of my head. It is VERY useful, glad you found it useful too. Welcome again.
Love to you and yours,
Bette

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Vexx,

Regarding your questions:

1) "Aliens" are just not local to this part of PMR and like all IUOCs, exist on the RWW where they can experience OOBEs like we can as simply disconnecting our data input from where we normally accept the feed from that creates our normal (virtual) experience of ourselves and connect it to somewhere else, NPMR, wherever, to create a sense of OBE. It is all virtual experience. Illusion as you note the Buddha as saying.

2) Our interactions with other IUOCs as virtual selves within the PMR experience are the source of the improvement of our QoC and entropy reduction, presuming that they are the 'right' kind of interactions. Our interactions are based upon our intent, or Intent as we tend to write it here on the BB to differentiate from the ordinary usage of the word. Tom fairly recently gave a more succinct definition of Intent that you can search out on the BB. It is linked in the third section of the index page under best threads, I believe. If you can't find it, let me know. So this may satisfy you more fully. It isn't that we need instructions, it is that this is automatic. We can discuss if further if this doesn't clarify things.

You got a lot exactly right on your first pass so I have made this a little more advanced than for a beginner usually would be. You are right that the Buddha and others metaphorically described the same things as Tom does. Virtual realities versus Illusion. The Void as the beginning of everything. Tom had available centuries of scientific development and digital concepts to base a more 'scientific' rather than mystical picture upon. You are welcome to ask more if you feel the need.

Ted

Thanks guys!

Ted: Thanks for that insights, I can see how 'aliens' can also have an 'OOBE' just like humans can. I was just wondering if we are able to interact with them in the NPMR or are they in a different 'plane' of NPMR? I have yet to experience an OOBE so I don't know how that would work but I haven't read anyone making contact with an 'alien' species in the astral plane either. I will also look in to the meaning of intent to get a better understanding.

Bette: Thanks for the welcome :) I do want to ask you a couple of things such as how MBT is able to explain Nostradamus and much of the Ancient Astronaut Theory. For me, much of Nostradamus' works are just stories and not much of a precognition. I guess I never really believed in people such a Nostradamus but if we are in a holographic universe I assume he could have possibly tapped in to some source of quantum information and was able to interpret the data? I am open to that idea, I just didn't get that from the book. I must have to dozing off in that section. Also, my thoughts on the Astronaut Theory is that I am very open to the idea that advanced civilizations could have actually visited earth in a physical form, not in a virtual sense. I guess I didn't get that part of the book also. Thanks!

Also, I've been meditating and I bought the Hemisync series, up to the 3rd set, to really experience what TC is talking about. I want to 'taste the pudding' and I am open to any other ideas on how to experience the OOBE. I have been making an effort to really use love as my intent and I can see how I'm not just reacting to stimulus so I can see the progress. I don't drink, smoke cigarettes, or use anything except for marijuana and just wanted to know what else I could be doing... but then a voice in my head (my own voice, I'm not crazy, lol) says that quite possibly my desire to try hard could be hindering my progress; for example, you can't 'try' to go to sleep you just let yourself sleep. Then I think about methods TC mentioned, such as gaining knowledge, service to others, and surrender. My question is what did him mean to surrender? I need to go back and read it and see if I can gain more insight in to what he meant.

My last question is I remember TC saying that he doesn't know if AUM or AUO cares for us or not, but then he does say that consciousness, which is AUM, is love. My question is how can AUM be love and not care. I can't find the passage in the book, maybe I'm remembering it wrong, but if anyone has any insight to this I'd appreciate it very much! Thanks again! Great to be here!

Hey Vexx,

It's good to have you here. You seem like a very intuitive and open individual. This place seems to attract such characteristics like a flame does moths. Hit me up with a PM if you ever need any one on one advice on something. I have a pretty extensive background in many things psychological, metaphysical and spiritual and seem to be fairly adept at giving sound advice.

Anyway- welcome! And remember: with great knowledge comes great responsibility. Spread the love.

-cole

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When you realize that everyone can access probable future threads of what may happen, and that the further away in time what one can see in the probable future thread the more fuzzy it will be the art on cave walls of men in space suits type information makes more sense.
I'm a bit preoccupied right now, sorry for the weak answer.

Love
Bette

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Vexx,

Your last question was "My last question is I remember TC saying that he doesn't know if AUM or AUO cares for us or not, but then he does say that consciousness, which is AUM, is love. My question is how can AUM be love and not care."

Let's put this situation into perspective for you and see if it becomes more understandable. Under the model and rule set of PMR, this comparison is about right or at least in the right order. What is your precise feeling for the northernmost cell comprising your pancreas? Surely you are aware of it, its foibles and eccentricities and all of the details of its history? If you can't answer for that one, then what about the one next to it? If you are not even aware of it, then what is wrong with you? For shame that you do not know it well and love it as fully as you fail to understand and be aware of it.

Get the picture? Top this off with the fact that English has only one word for the spectrum of emotions and feelings that compromise what any mature person understands goes far beyond the simple minded conceptions attached to this single word in common usage.

Ted

Vexx: "One disappointment was that I thought TC would give instructions on how to use our intent to raise the quality of our consciousness but like he said we have to choose our own path and realize this ourselves. So what are the things you have read, done, thought and used love as your intent?"

The most instruction based chapter in the whole trilogy is Chapter 23 Book 1. I would recommend reading over it again. It's mostly about meditation but he also gives some instructions on how to go about applying it to entropy reduction (growing your quality).

The trilogy is mostly about helping people understand the what, how, and more importantly to growth, the WHY of it all. As Tom says, it helps knowing the game.

Ramon

Welcome to the forum and to a new awareness. I am and have always been a quiet and meditative type growing up. Not the type of new age meditation you would initially think of. I just did a lot of camping and spending time in quiet places in nature for my entire life. About 1.5 years ago I got tired of hearing my female friend of 15 years talk about Astral Projection (OBE), so I set out to validate the claims through my own experience.

I tried some simple google AP techniques and had my first OBE by simply clearing my mind of thoughts after about 2 weeks. I was recently able to validate one of the experiences to be real through some objective results. http://www.malleablelight.net/2010/05/04/astronomy-software-validates-2010-05-03-obe/

Something else I am able to do with OBEs, that for me validates somewhat, is that I literally write code in OBEs. I can see the code in a black void, write and test the code, wake up and then write the code in PMR and it works.

Based on my own experience "OBEs" are in many instances more real the PMR based on the input I am receiving. When in the altered states I know my name, my age, my PMR identity, I know that my awareness is shifted and I usually have a very heightened sense of awareness in that the input is clearer than PMR. For example I was in an altered state once standing in front of my house staring at the street. I then decided to really look at the street and suddenly I was about to see every tiny stone that makes up the street, in intimate detail, all at once.

I have not however met up with any NPMR entities that I can remember. I have heard voices speak to me while in altered states and I have felt something sorta guiding me at times so it could be that I just don't realize that I am in contact with other entities. i am still very new to this all.

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Wow, thanks for the insights and knowledge. I'm starting to get a better picture of some of the questions I had. So great to be around a group of people willing to share their wisdom. :)

Hi Vexx,

Vexx: ....Then I think about methods TC mentioned, such as gaining knowledge, service to others, and surrender. My question is what did him mean to surrender? I need to go back and read it and see if I can gain more insight in to what he meant.

OM: Surrender.... people sometimes confuse the word surrender in the way that Tom is implying. Forcing yourself to surrender is not the meaning of surrender that Tom is using. Forced surrender is submission and that is a totally different action.
My feeling is that to surrender is to have an understanding and an acceptance of all that is, which includes your weaknesses, strengths, short comings, ego related concerns as well as your current experience level in all its capacities, all while living with love and with uncertainty gracefully in all your interactions.

OM

When I think of surrender I think of stopping struggling.
Love
Bette

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Hi Vexx, one more book i'd recommend is Eckhart Tolle's A New Earth. It explains the concept of ego surrender really well as well as how to evolve your consciousness by being still. Cheers.

Bette- What are the things you do or feel or think when you want to surrender? I want to be there with you :)

Actually I had an insight in to what my person TOE says about surrendering very recently. When I was in the shower thinking I put the pieces together and I realized if my consciousness is part of a bigger reality and that AUM is expressing it's creativity and evolution through us our ego is what's keeping in down. My negative thoughts and habits are keeping my consciousness from expressing and experiencing this PMR in it's fullest form with love. So if I when I realized that and really felt it (not intellectually but emotionally) I decided I would make more of a concerted effort to overcome my ego and negative emotions. So that's the insight I had a couple of weeks ago. Only a crazy person would purposely keep their own spirituality down from experiencing life through love so I realized for me surrendering is surrendering my Ego, my PMR thoughts, and beliefs to the 'divinity' (not in the religious sense but as in AUM sense :) within ourselves. But of course it's harder to do than to say. Well, at least I'm making a real effort and I do feel the difference. I feel the mirror (others) reflecting my own progress back to me. It's such a better way to experience life :) Still hard tho.

Viv- I love Eckhart Tolle! I read his book The Power of Now and I really enjoyed it. I will have to pick up the new earth. I knew of the quotes and phrases about being aware of the present moment but that book helped me understand the present moment. Still, it's easy to understand and read but harder to do. Just have to keep trying.

Vexx,

When Tom made reference to the Path of the Warrior, also known as the path of Knowledge, the path of Service and the path of Surrender, he was referring to three traditionally known spiritual paths. He went on, as I remember, to discuss the Path of the Warrior/Knowledge as the path he followed but said little about the other two traditions. If you look into these paths as described in many places, you will find the range of thought included within the Path of Surrender. Here is one of the links that comes up if you search for posts by Tom relating to warrior and path: viewtopic.php?f=4&t=3247&p=7355&hilit=warrior+path#p7355

There is some further discussion of all three paths on this thread. The search function is a good place to start to find out what you wish to know here in this BB. If you search on Google or other search engine, you will find much about these three paths as they are traditional, not just something from MBT.

Ted