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PostPosted: Sat Aug 18, 2012 10:46 pm 
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Hi guys

I purchased the My Big TOE complete trilogy way back in October 2009, but have only just passed the halfway mark. I'm not sure if it's Tom's writing style, but I've found the book quite hard going and will read it for a while, then put it back on the shelf. I recently picked it up again and am starting to make steady progress.

I'm an avid follower of Tom's YouTube videos and find the information extremely easy to digest in that format.

I work in the field of information technology, so the virtual reality model presented in My Big TOE was simple for me to grasp and makes perfect sense to me. The question I want to ask is related to this.

When you run multiple virtual machines (termed guests) on a computer, you have what's called a hypervisor (also called a virtual machine manager). The hypervisor provides a layer of abstraction between the computer hardware and the guests, and enables multiple guests to run concurrently on the host computer.

In the computer model, the computer hardware is fundamental (in Tom's My Big TOE, consciousness is fundamental). In Tom's model there are multiple PMRs that exist as a subset of the big picture (in the computer model, there are multiple guests/virtual machines). So what I was wondering is whether Tom's model describes something equivalent to a hypervisor, which would be some kind of abstraction layer between consciousness and the various virtual realities? It doesn't really matter one way or the other, I'm just curious. If the answer is in the book and I haven't got to that part yet, that's fine.

I live in New Zealand and would love to meet Tom one day. Hopefully a future MBT event will be scheduled somewhere in this neck of the woods (Australia or New Zealand).


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With your technological experience, it might be useful for you to take a short time and read the model as described on the Wiki. http://wiki.my-big-toe.com/index.php/The_MBT_Model_Link_Page This gives you what Tom spreads out and explains with much discussion in his books in just 20 long Wiki pages. I would be curious if you find this as understandable as you say you find that kind of material in Tom's books. It might make it more clear where you are headed and also answer your present question more clearly. The functions of virtual machine manager are provided by the LCS which manages the different roles within which the IUOC finds itself. That particular metaphor is not stated there however. It is only implicit in the description. There is a little more explicitly mathematical based description than Tom provides in simplifying things for the less technically sophisticated. But all of those elements are there in a deeper reading and understanding of what Tom does say in his books. There is really nothing new there not in the books, just perhaps more explicitly stated in some ways.

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PostPosted: Sun Aug 19, 2012 9:51 am 
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One could loosely associate the metaphor of hypervisor (I know what you mean, I work with virtual machines every day) with NPMR. The NPMR VR is a superset of our PMR and other PMR's.

This picture may help you, although you are not at this point in the book:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=RYHtBPi ... &q&f=false

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msagansk wrote:
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One could loosely associate the metaphor of hypervisor (I know what you mean, I work with virtual machines every day) with NPMR. The NPMR VR is a superset of our PMR and other PMR's.

This picture may help you, although you are not at this point in the book:

http://books.google.ca/books?id=RYHtBPi ... &q&f=false


Looking at that diagram, you could sort of say NPMR is like the parent partition in Microsoft Hyper-V. But there would still be another layer above (below) that representing the hypervisor.

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http://searchservervirtualization.techtarget.com/definition/parent-partition

In Hyper-V, there are three possible types of partitions: the root partition, the parent partition and the child partition.

The root partition is the original partition. It starts the hypervisor. The parent partition can call the hypervisor and request the creation of new child partitions. Virtualized operating systems (guest OS) and applications run in child partitions. There can be only one parent partition on a given machine but there can be as many child partitions as computing resources will support.


Where my analogy fails though, is that each NPMR would represent a separate computer.


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Citizen,

What I was trying to get across to you in sending you to the Model on the Wiki was the concept that you describe. If you read that model, you will see that the LCS is effectively a computing mechanism in the form of a cellular automaton. It hosts the Virtual Realities as meta realities that while fully within and part of the LCS, are also in effect outside or above it. There is an element of free will that exists within the meta reality which does not exist within the LCS which interacts based upon a rule set that is rigid and unvarying interaction of reality cell with reality cell as to the data digit contained within the adjacent cells. The meta reality aspect is where the free will exists as in the free will for each IUOC when functioning as a part of AUM to interact freely in the exchange of information which all together constitutes AUM. Then there are the many instances of an NPMR type VR which as a meta reality, also permits the IUOCs to freely interact as they are provided with consciousness within their NPMR within which they participate. Then againg there are the many instances of a PMR type VR which as a meta reality, also permits the IUOCs to freely interact as they are provided with consciousness within their PMR within which they participate. All this is very much expanded and more detailed within the Model write up I referred you to.

It is within the LCS that the hypervisor concept you describe exists. That creates and organizes each of the various NPMRs and PMRs which are out there, defined entirely by the 'constellation' of IUOCs which participate within them.

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I wouldn't get too hung up in trying to force fit the metaphors. What you missed, and maybe the diagram doesn't show this well, but there are many (child) PMR sub k contained by many (hypervisor) NPMR sub n contained by (parent) NPMR.

Note that this doesn't really fit the VMware way of doing virtualization.

You could also call the LCS as the hyper visor like Ted suggests, but I like to think of it as just the computer.

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Mike,

Remember that the LCS is not just the computer. It is the computer as computing engine, the code of the operating systems and programs and the data acted upon, all rolled into one. That is why computer metaphors are limited.

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Whoops, you're right, I didn't mean to slip the word "just" in there. What I mean is, the LCS is the computer (which contains the software, data, etc. too).

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