Lazy Vulpes wrote:
Thanks for your answer.
I know the implications that usage of drugs can have on my physical body. Like being thrown in jail and such. I also know that it's not likely to do me any Good metaphysically, so let's just put those issues aside..
Detaching ones self from the physical is a serious matter and something I think should be handled with great respect. So will be using OOB experiences along with drugs as an entertainment be a bad/wrong thing to do metaphysically? Could it have any negative effects on me in my quest for personally growth?
beyond Ted's succinct answer to your specific question, this does raise some tangential thoughts
not being a hashish user nor an OBEr, these thoughts are extrapolatory and theoretical only. You can also search this forum and the online MBTOE to read Tom's words in this area.
1) it seems that that mental control and discipline is central to achieving and maintaining the OBE state, so I am doubtful that hashish would be supportive of getting out and doing something productive/fun in NPMR if this is your goal
2) once in OBE, Tom reports that anything along these lines is like having grease and snow on your windshield as far as visibility, and this extents to alchohol, caffiene, sugar especially and so on.
3) so ask yourself this, lets say you have been dating a great girl for a few days/weeks/months and she says tonight is the night - do you show up stone cold sober or half out of it?
4) a friend shows up at your door in a Ferrari and says we are leaving in 30 minutes for the next town to close an important transaction, and we will have to speed through traffic - do you shower and pull yourself together or do you smoke something?
Ultimately I believe we all fundamentally live by this drive for fun and pleasure, and to avoid pain and discomfort, according to our sensor platform "design", which was optimized for the PMR environment over the millenia.
All of us grew up with cultural software (somewhat flexible) and firmware (somewhat baked in) layered on our hardware that trained us to seek pleasure and avoid pain through different means, and these differing trained responses are what generally drives socio-economic class.
Our lives are greatly driven by how we learned to respond to pain, one flavour of pain is boredom.
I believe boredom was inserted into our hardware to drive us to rather not be lazy
, but rather to get off the couch and explore PMR and its inhabitants, furry and otherwise.
In this way, I believe a chemical response to boredom can be an existential crime philisophically and an offense to the gift of this life and this beautiful planet, and that your higher self knows this, potentially triggering negative feedback and a downward spiral if done beyond a tipping point.
Of course, there are no absolutes, there are exceptional circumstances, and some gin does find its way into my lemonade on occasion and caffeine as I write ; - )
my personal angle on this is that life is more authentically, deeply, entertaining when you are mining three pleasure zones in correct balance, which you are likely doing already...but if you are kind person, you will let me ramble on here
Hedonistic behaviors have their important place, but must be balanced with interactions with PMR that maximize your hedonistic pleasures over your entire lifetime, and to maximize your lifetime DELTA(t) cycles, which points to investing in education, work, thrift, savings, entrepreneurship, health, activities which themselves push pleasure buttons of accomplishment, but most importantly, get you off the couch interacting with others and provide funding so that your hedonism is sustainable and effective...the bifurcation of the 5 minute planning horizon vs 50 year planning horizon. We all know FWAUs who don't seem to be able to manage this two dimensional challenge well.
Into this mix Tom comes along and we throw the third leg of the tripod, trifucating the model (comparable to Tom's first order, second order, third order phrasing that he briefly touched on in MBTOE), which is the higher ruleset and its feedback, which translates into factoring in the impact on others while we engage in (forming intent, making decisions, implementing action, monitoring emotional feedback, adjusting strategy) seeking pleasure and avoiding pain throughout our PMR cycle, and getting this third cylinder of the engine tuned and working with the others together.
I think a good place to start with this is a 12 step-like approach (which by the way was based on Jung), forgiving everyone in your decision space for all the petty crap they have done to you, and seeking foregiveness for the not so petty crap you have done to others (calling people up and dropping by) - and monitor the emotional feedback, and return gentleness and empathy to those that attack you in petty ways (this does not extend to pacifism in the face of an existential threat, we are talking about the small stuff of everyday interaction, nor does it extend to being someone's floormat).
Meditation, like avoiding chemicals, and something Tom is very big on, is like cleaning your windshield with windex, which makes you more effective at seeking the positive feedback of the higher ruleset and navigating NPMR.