Hi everyone
I've been thinking a lot about the reality I'm living, so confusing. There isn't one event in the past, close o distant without revisionism.
I can't grab a picture of the reality (of the present) without having some secured bases.
If a group of remote viewers (or database seers of any kind) would review certain key events or key people, could I use this information as a secure foundation to draw a scheme of the reality? Or different groups would obtain different results? Should I been required to obtain the information by myself?

Particularly, it's important for me to know how accurate is the knowledge left by spiritual leaders as Bhudda, Jesus, Mahoma, etc.

Thanks for you time

Look in general for the parts that are in agreement among those teachers you wish to evaluate, including considering what science has to say in total. That area of agreement or congruence is the fertile ground from which to grow your own understanding.

To give you an example of what I am saying, the Buddha and ancient metaphysicians speak of Indra's Net, Tom Campbell describes the Reality Wide Web, Robert Monroe (explorer more than teacher) describes data coming from and returning to a something which is the source of our reality and that data creates our reality and finally Carlos Castaneda describes Don Juan as describing also a source and return of data from something which creates our reality by that data. Thus I would give some credence to anyone who taps into this general concept of our reality/experience coming from a data flow within which we participate. Tom's description is the most complete, using scientific metaphors rather than just general metaphors. The others can be related to Tom's description. Does this make sense to you?

Ted

Well, I can take your words as an answer for the final part of my question. And it makes sense. Thanks
But, what about the part about remote viewing and the reliability of the actual inherited information and/or the hypothetical "obtained" information?

If I understand your question rightly, die.... well, I guess I don't. :-)

It sounds like you would use the findings of a passel of remote viewers to outline some sort of world view with...?

Why would anyone do that...?

You have to build your own ... otherwise what you wind up with won't really be yours, and very likely won't fit you too well either. And remote viewers are at at least as capable of being wrong as a group Let's-just-settle-in-and-view-what's-right-here-under-our-nose-viewers.

But maybe I misunderstood.

-Montana

Do not base your activities on what others say. Investigate for yourself. Remote viewers produce approximations at best.

Ted

I'm searching for alternatives to the fact that I can't remote view nor nothing similar.
But perhaps I could motivate to the right people to collaborate to find answers.
I would want answers to my questions now, not in my 70s.
On the other hand, if there are people in this forum that can explore the database, could they generate an optimal mechanism to facilitate the access to others. (something like the definitive hemisync, for example)?
I have no problem with the meditation, and I enjoy it, but like a tool I see it little efficient. It requires an undetermined amount of time to advance.

.......Sooo ... you want to evolve RIGHT NOW, even if you need to get someone else do it for you ...?
Is that how it is?

Montana

No, it isn't.
I want to evolve AS SOON AS POSSIBLE and I would accept any kind of help from anyone or mechanism (except drugs).
And I want to propagate this evolution to everyone and facilitate it as much as possible.
If this is what it seems to be, I feel obliged to share this.

Well, Okay. If that's what you REALLY want...

All you have to do is to have the sincere intent to do so. Basically, just open your arms to the sky and say "I want to evolve all the way! Right now! Let's get on with it!"

Just so you have some clue about where you are heading with that.... the automatic-operating spirit guide crowd has absolutely NO sense of middling degrees or moderation: There will presently be freight train's worth of "growth experience" heading your way. The experience is something like walking into a restaurant and banging your fist on the counter and saying "I got a pocket full 'o money and I am damned hungry! Feed me everything!" ...and presently the entire restaurant's supply of food is dumped on top of you... but it doesn't stop there... they order as much as possibly can be delivered and presently bulldozer-sized portions of 'comestibles' are being pushed in your direction.

It is conceivable that things will go a little more smoothly with an intent that was closer to "Lookit. I want to evolve. Give me the next thing I need in the process. Thanks."

Happy Trails!~

It's much easier to evolve if you can "see" the "real" reality or at least a greater portion of it.
Following an analogy, it was very easy for the followers of Jesus to believe and conceive a broader reality, having a man doing all kind of wonders.

I have listened to Thomas and Dennis talking about their changes when (after) they discovered and experienced the reality.
So I'm not asking for any exaggerated event. I would like to everyone would have the opportunity of Thomas and others.
Perhaps I sound a bit stressing in my questions but it's only I'm a bit temperamental when the events seem crucial to me.
I have found a treasure and I want to share with as much people as possible, and now I'm thinking in my family, my friends, my colleagues.

Dieguti,

Congrats on wanting to evolve. You say you want something like, firsthand experience of the larger reality. That's cool, but why not suspend that notion for a bit. Learn to meditate, and over time, you'll get your proof. Worst case scenario, even if you never get firsthand proof of the larger reality, through meditation, you'll make yourself healthier and happier. So you gain in both cases, its worth the effort. Patience :)

I don't understand your (Montana, Ted, Willmeister) reticence to my proposal.
I'm asking that someone with the capacity to "navigate" the database or to communicate with higher beings to design a focus 12 inducer (for example, not literally).
Everyone who has experienced the greater reality appreciates the event as very important in his life.
Why won't you facilitate this to everyone interested?

dieguti,

Finally you come closer to making a clear statement of what you mean. Is what you are saying that you wish someone would produce a technical means by which you could do exploration? If that is the case, there are tools available from The Monroe Institute or of a more do it yourself in terms of adjustability and modification on the Internet and more than one thread on the board discussing them.

We keep balking at what you say because it keeps sounding like you want someone else to do it for you. You must yourself learn to contact and experience the Larger Consciousness System. That is something that you simply must face. That this may take time is also an aspect of the situation that you must face.

If I am still not understanding what you are talking about, you must realize that you are not making it clear and make an effort to clarify it.

Ted

The operating theory is that each entity is at a particular stage ...where ever that may be .... of its evolution, and that the circumstances, environment, milieu in which that entity finds itself is exactly suited to its learning 'the next thing(s)' that it 'should'. (The 'shouldness' here is more often a matter, as I understand it, of correcting for balance rather than some sort of moral or scholastic or doctrinaire imperavative.)

Dumping folks in a nice big vat of focus-12 before they are good swimmers in focus 1 .... in what circumstances might that be a good idea? There might be some, in fact, but... ?

Pardon me all. I didn't notice I was being so unclear.
I will try to summarize:
- I think that experience the reality is positive for the people, 99%.
- Access that reality isn't easy (I've meditated and tried hemi sync for months without success)
- ANY information can be obtained from the database from a person with the capability to do it.
- I propose that the designed person generate (or copy from the database) a system, I suppose it would be based in sound, to facilitate the access to states of the kind of focus 10 or focus 12 in any newbie.
- I want to use that system. I want access those states by myself.

And respect to Montana I disagree; if someone will want use that system I think he will be prepared to live the experience. I'm not going to push anyone, only offer it.
And finally I don't want to rest value to meditation, but I don't think it would be the best tool to achieve certain altered states. I have family that have meditated for years and never accessed any of these nonphysical realities.
But again, I like meditation and I practice almost daily.
I'm a computer engineer and I have the concept based in the experience of my job that half of the effort (if not more) can be saved if one choose the right tool for the task.

Thanks for your time.