What am i doing? you seem like the guy to ask. cant find any info on what i am doing. I can close my eyes, anytime of day, without any drugs, and with a little focus, I can sometimes see things..It begins with a little bit of blue that pulses in and out. When i focus on the blue it get brighter..very hard to keep focus. it has a pulse. if i stay with it, let say 5-10 minutes. then a crazy thing happens.. in the middle the blue wavy things a window,door, gate, what ever it is, it begins to apear. it used to shock me and i would lose it. but now i can keep my focus and see things.. but the things are dark, like i am looking through tinted class.. lots of different stuff all within a few seconds..street scenes, people, but i can never keep my focus long enough to get a good look. but its real i see it and i am not sleepy..wide awake just closing my eyes. does not always work.. i got to share this with ya,, the other day i was watching lots of stuff on mars. so when i closed my eyes i began to think, "open gate, open gate,open, I want to see you, who ever you are show your self, please let me see you, mars, mars, open gate, let me see you" i focused on the blue wavy things and wham a bright square apeared and inside the square was a dark image..i focused on the image the square went away and i could see the side profile of somthing..more focus and i turned and looked right at me..I thought" i see you, i see you, i see you." It looked back at me. It was just like i was looking through tinted class, no color. but it was in focus and i could see it. It had big eyes, small mouth. almost like a cartoon. but it looked right at me and got scared.. it was child like..i thought" dont be scared of me i just wanted to see ya" then it got close and looked right in my eyes and then it blinked.. i thought" Holy cow, its real " then it backed off..I thought again" dont be scared of me" then it came back close and bobed its head and smiled.. it had lots of emotion.. This is the strange part, it was shocked to see me.. it was like i suprised it and just apeared in its world... after a few more seconds of this, looking at each other, it flew away, like i scared it off... then something appeared that is hard to explain. It was like i was seeing outer space but no stars. this big rotating thing filled my minds eye.. very in focus ... i could see it very well..but i have no idea what it was. it looked somthing like a casting of a ant tunnels and rotated round and round.. i watched it for about 90 seconds before i opened my eyes and told my wife.. I drew it right away... thanks for reading i know your a busy man, i just had to try and see what you thought.....

Hi thecanoedude, and welcome to Tom's MBT discussion group. Do you need an answer from Tom?
Love to you and yours,
Bette

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I figure tom is too busy for me. Just needing someone, anyone, to give me some feed back.. I am new....but working on entering the data base!

I suggest that you do some looking around here on the board and see the range of things that other people have seen in meditation, which is in essence what you are doing. The things that we 'see' are in general interpretations. Our interpretations are our interpretations so we can't tell you realistically what you are seeing. If we saw the same thing, as in received the same information stream, we would not necessarily see the same images but instead see our own interpretation of that data. Basically you would seem to be connecting with Consciousness Space in some form or way. I can see things like that also but I don't put much concern on it. I am not trying to do anything. Consider more formally meditating. Have you read Tom's books yet? It would give you a better background to understand such things.

Ted

What Ted said~

Also, search the forum (or just google) "Frank Kepple" ... he has a cozy essay on 'phasing' that will give you a handy way to think about your experiences as described.

Welcome to the group.

-Montana

thanks! I have spent hours and hours watching tom's videos..i will pick up a book and learn more...I am not your normal dude.. i spend alot of time on the water..outside the box. 11 years ago, back in my early 30's, i took off on a canoe journey and did not stop untill 2 years and 8,000 miles later.. spent alot of time starin at the stars at night, laying on the river bank, wondering about it all.. i love the topics tom talks about.. I think he is Right about what he says.. I know there is more than meets the eye.....

Here is this until you can get the book in paper form. http://books.google.com/books?id=6To090 ... &q&f=false
Love
Bette

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Wow, canoedude,
A 2 year canoe trip? Fantastic! This may be part of the reason you are open to the big picture. Laying out under the stars has an interesting affect on people. When I do it I feel connected to everything. when I think about the fact that the light from some of those stars takes centuries to reach our eyes, and that some stars may not even be there anymore, but we wont know it until the light of the super-nova reaches us at some time in the future. It makes me feel like the past present and future all exist right now. Its like a natural high.

"...one of the strongest motives that lead men to art and science is escape from everyday life with its painful crudity and hopeless dreariness, from the fetters of one's own ever-shifting desires. A finely tempered nature longs to escape from the personal life into the world of objective perception and thought." ~Albert Einstein~

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peace
patrick

ya took the words right out of my mouth. darn good quote.. so true! Its a way of life bro!

"You came into this life with nothing to learn -- you have only to demonstrate what you already know. In the demonstration of it will you function it out, and create yourself anew, through your experience. Thus do you justify life, and give it purpose. Thus do you render it holy." Conversations With God, Book 1 Neale Donald Walsch pp 34-35

That may be true of the bit of Consciousness that we come in with, but as new borns we are basically blank slates, and we build up all of our knowledge about how the world works, and what stuff MEANS brand new each life. That is how the limiting Belief Systems get installed each life, and how it works. Each experience we have from birth on here is what we are building the Reality of the Life Experience Packet (I love the "packet" part, the taste of it) here now. It isn't until we get older that we usually start seeing how many Belief Systems control us to start to drop them.
Love
Bette

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I disagree with this statement.

What is a purpose to create 'yourself anew', if there is nothing to learn? Your experience is your lesson, and your true feelings and emotions is your feedback, your learning result. Nothing to learn sounds to me like a stagnation or Narcissism.

Lena

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Oh wow....same thing I went thru years ago...seeing past, present & future....some behind a wall of tinted red color. I remember one time seeing a woman & a cat, on a bed. The cat saw me & started coming towards me. I got excited & the hole I was looking thru, closed up. Another time I was looking & I saw this guy & he was just looking around until he noticed me & then started hammering on the "window". Again, I got excited & it closed like a vortex. This happened when I was tired but in between actually falling asleep & being awake, but it wasn't a lucid dream as I have had those also. It's like the pinpoint of light between my brows (& upwards a bit) which will go blue & then open up like a vortex....the scenes will move right before my eyes, like I am watching into this scene, peaking thru a peephole. It's great to hear that someone else has gone thru the same thing. Here I thought I was losing my mind.

Hi llastell and welcome to Tom's MBT discussion forums. I find pleasure that you have found understanding of your experiences here. :)
Love to you and yours,
Bette

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in my personal little TOE, reconnecting to nature and our innate primal buttons is part of the process of reintegration and balance after learning all the left hemispheric linear stuff, which can take place at the same time as integrating or focusing on the right hemispheric higher self stuff, ...primal + right hemisphere = hippy

primal + right hemisphere + left hemisphere...in balance = preppy

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