I Have heard a few interviews with Dolores Cannon and She has said that whilst She puts people into deep levels of hypnosis She was given information on "The Background People" those you see in airports or crowded rooms etc and are not really people but energy.

The same was kinda pointed out in Carlos Castaneda "A separate Reality" that Humans have an luminous egg like energy field around them and there are others that don't have this as they are not people although they take Human form.

This I find interesting and makes me question, if true then what are there purpose? are they just extra's in the story.

I have not touched on any info so far in the reading of Toms book and wondered peoples opinions on this subject.

I cannot find info on this topic in the search, perhaps it is a beginner question but it has my attention at the moment.

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So they are energy (or it would be information) we interpret into human form just hanging where a lot of bits of Consciousness pass through? Like an overflow place perhaps?
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Bette

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Martin,

Please try to remember to include references to materials that you quote as links so that we can readily see the original material that you refer to.

I have also wondered about those so called 'allies' that Carlos Castaneda described. The seeing of 'luminous eggs' for normal humans is no different that learning to see auras or visualizing illnesses for healing, a matter of Intent. This luminous egg may amount to a representation of our minds as digital IUOCs existing on the RWW. The 'strings' visualized within them may represent the digital nature of our self and contained data as an IUOC as created functionally within a segment of a cellular automaton that is the Consciousness System. Talking of matching strings within the data stream that creates our reality as described by Castaneda could directly represent a matter of pattern matching between incoming data from the RWW and that stored within our selves as IUOCs. Seeing these luminous eggs is just a matter of focused Intent and is a matter of additional information being supplied to us in the data stream that creates our PMR experience.

By the so called 'background people' that you mention but did not describe how they are differentiated from 'real' people I assume you mean what Don Juan called Allies in Castaneda's books. Persons who are representations of a person in the PMR data stream but are not connected to an IUOC as their mind. Or perhaps they might be NPMR entities 'visiting' and interacting within PMR and this is the way that the system indicates and differentiates them from the normal person. Allies could readily, as the term was used and what they did described, refer to NPMR entities that are functioning in PMR for a purpose but not incarnated here.

Their existence as describe is in no way an impossibility within a Virtual Reality. Considering how many IUOCs are incarnated here, it is hard to see why more cast members are required for the 'play' of PMR. However, they could represent agents who do exactly what the system requires as opposed to being uncontrolled free agents and subject only to 'nudges' from the LCS.

Ted

Thanks for replies.

Both replies would make sense.

Below I have found more describing the luminous eggs:

http://www.prismagems.com/castaneda/donjuan6.html

Link is from The Eagle's Gift - Carlos Castaneda

Here is the Dolores Cannon interview, I will skim through it and find position when I get a chance.

Dolores Cannon 5D Earth is Here! - Timemonkradio:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8IKoS6Vzyvg

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I suspect that her interpretation is often distorted by her beliefs. Very few people realize that their NPMR related experiences are completely personal interpretations, often with distortions caused by fear, ego and beliefs. They claim it is the "truth", and do not remain sceptical of their own experiences. This is one of the important lessons from My Big TOE, that what we perceive is subjective and highly specific to own being's history.

Unless there is more to it than that, it is in my opinion a silly idea with little logical basis.

Yep I feel that maybe the case and She gets the info through a subject.

I feel I may just be wasting my energy trying to absorb all kinds of info that may be based of others belief systems and so I jump back into MBT, it did amuse me when I stumbled upon a couple of sentences which Tom wrote about realizing limitations and not getting stuck in belief traps as its a waste of potential.

I wont lie MBT has many topics that go over my head but are still read as the absorption of knowledge may still have meaning even if not understood.

That's another question I have:

If you don't understand certain topics but still read them and let them go into subconscious is that just a waste of time?

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Martin,

As Tom has said more than once, if something is not clear to you, let it pass. Most concepts are restated more than once from slightly different viewpoints and while one may be incomprehensible, another might just be crystal clear. You might also note that many of us have read My Big TOE multiple times and each one of us finds new things on each re reading. What was not clear on one reading suddenly makes sense as you have absorbed the past readings and then can make use of them on successive readings. While they are beginners books, there is also deep information available within them when you are ready to make note of it. Reading and discussing things on the BB also is of help in the cumulative process of learning and coming to a full understanding. Then there is also the Wiki where between Tom's lectures and the many other transfers from the BB, the new and more succinct version of the model and new writing being done with expanded concepts, there is always more to learn.

Ted

The way I see it is if you've never heard of a concept before and get some info on it there is no file folder for it yet. The hearing of the thing even without understanding it creates the file folder in my mind, and yours, for more information to come in to. ;)
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Bette

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But isn't this a bit contradictory? Wouldn't it then be the beliefs of her regressed subjects instead? She just reports on what she's being told. She's not a psychic, channeler or medium herself. Just like M. Newton, for example, she compiles the data, makes cross-comparisons, then analyses and structures it. Of course, this kind of work, especially some of her overall conclusions, might have belief-based influences. But the data still is there, unless we say that she makes it all up, but then she also does group regressions and so has many witnesses.

Coincidentally and on topic, I just read one of her earlier books on this topic and there is also mention of people who are just here as mere 'energy constructs' (holograms?). I do not know if this is the same as what is meant by 'background people'. These constructs are often entities who have a task and then leave again after fulfiment, some might be researchers, too.

When I read this, it made me think immediately of Tom who also (don't know if in his books or on his talks) reports on 'assuming' or 'making' a body for going unrecognised ('low profile') in different realities. I don't know if he means NPMRs or even a PMRs. I think I remember he really meant PMRs, too. Can anybody verify this?

In her book, her subject, Phil, reports a lot on past lives "as an ET" in other PMRs as well as different NPMRs and also channels his "higher self" or other "entities".

I googled a sample from my Kindle-for-PC version and indeed found the relevant excerpt available. So, here we go:

http://books.google.de/books?id=aFXWNpv ... 22&f=false

Here's the essential part quoted (btw, it's a fascinating book, not matter if you take it all for granted or with one or more grains of salt...):

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