I am sharing a piece of email I sent to Dr. Tom. Really love his trilogy and lectures. What you see in the email is not a promotion of a religion but something for us to dissect and experience.

A letter to Tom Campbell:

Peace be upon you Dr. Campbell!

I have been an avid and enthusiast of your research and I am almost done reading your book. I have been following your videos on YouTube and I love your work. I am still trying had to have an OOBE though but I know, with perseverance and the right 'intent', I will achieve this amazing journey.


I am a Muslim, or a submitter,(For lack of a better in English). I have been studying the Quran and I have come across an almost astounding discovery which coincides with your worlds within worlds view. PMRs are just a subset of NPMRs and so forth.

There is this one verse in the Quran which hits me on the head with what you taught in your book. Please take some time to review the verses below:



Edip-Layth 2:29 He is the One who created for you all that is in the earth. Moroever, He attended to the universe and made it seven heavens, and He is aware of all things.

The Monotheist Group 2:29 He is the One who created for you all that is on Earth, then He attend to the universe and made it seven universes, and He is aware of all things.

Muhammad Asad 2:29 He it is who has created for you all that is on earth, and has applied His design to the heavens and fashioned them into seven heavens;20 and He alone has full knowledge of everything.

Rashad Khalifa 2:29 He is the One who created for you everything on earth, then turned to the sky and perfected seven universes therein,9 and He is fully aware of all things.

Shabbir Ahmed 2:29 He is the One Who has created for you whatever is on earth - all of it. And He has applied His Design to the Cosmos and fashioned it in several ascending heights. He is the Supreme Knower of what all things are destined to be. 24


Transliteration 2:29 Huwa allathee khalaqa lakum mafee al-ardi jameeAAan thumma istawa ila alssama-ifasawwahunna sabAAa samawatin wahuwa bikullishay-in AAaleemunA 2:29 هو الذى خلق لكم ما فى الارض جميعا ثم استوى الى السماء فسوىهن سبع سموت وهو بكل شىء عليم



The Quran, which was supposedly written by Muhammad 1400 years ago, confirms what you have said in your book about our Physical Reality is only a subset of a bigger reality. There are many other verses in the Quran that states the 'Unseen', which is, indefinitely, the NPMR that you talked about!


Look at this:

3:44 This is from the news of the unseen that We inspire to you. You were not with them when they drew straws as to which one of them will be charged with Mary; you were not with them when they disputed

All the verses below talks about the unseen.

Chapter 2 - 2:3; 2:33;
Chapter 3 - 3:44;
Chapter 5 - 5:94; 5:109; 5:116;
Chapter 6 - 6:59; 6:73;
Chapter 9 - 9:78; 9:94; 9:105;
Chapter 11 - 11:49; 11:123;
Chapter 12 - 12:81; 12:102;
Chapter 13 - 13:9;
Chapter 18 - 18:26;
Chapter 19 - 19:61;
Chapter 21 - 21:49;
Chapter 23 - 23:92;
Chapter 27 - 27:65;
Chapter 32 - 32:6;
Chapter 34 - 34:3; 34:14; 34:53;
Chapter 35 - 35:18; 35:38;
Chapter 36 - 36:11;
Chapter 39 - 39:46;
Chapter 49 - 49:18;
Chapter 50 - 50:33;
Chapter 67 - 67:12;
Chapter 72 - 72:26;

I am not here to debate or to coax you about Islam. But, to me, the facts and with, as you have said in your books every time, be skeptical but with open-mindedness.

I believe you have explored the 7 universes mentioned in the Quran. I can't say much as time is short on my part, and I am truly sorry for that. I feel the urge to write you this email and I hope someone with your calibre will take time to look through the fascination found in the Quran.

And with that Sir, I leave everything else at your disposal. Have a good day! May we meet one day!



http://19.org/101/was-the-discovery-of- ... incidence/
http://19.org
http://www.quranix.net/

NINETEEN: God’s Signature in Nature and Scripture. EXAMPLES:

The number of Arabic letters in the opening statement of the Quran, BiSMi ALLaĤi AL-RaĤMaNi AL-RaĤYM (1:1) 19 x 1
Every word in Bismillah… is found in the Quran in multiples of 19
The frequency of the first word, Name (Ism) 19 x 1
The frequency of the second word, God (Allah) 19 x 142
The frequency of the third word, Gracious (Raĥman) 19 x 3
The fourth word, Compassionate (Raĥym) 19 x 6
Out of more than hundred attributes of God, only four has numerical values of multiple of 19
One (WAĤiD) 19 x 1
Possessor of Great Bounties (ŹuW AL-FaĎL AL-ÂŽYM) 19 x 142
Glorious (MaJYD) 19 x 3
Summoner/Editor (JAMeÂ) 19 x 6
The number of chapters in the Quran 19 x 6
Despite its conspicuous absence from Chapter 9, Bismillah occurs twice in Chapter 27, making its frequency in the Quran 19 x 6
Number of chapters from the missing Ch. 9 to the extra in Ch. 27. 19 x 1
The total number of all verses in the Quran, including the 112 unnumbered Bismillah 19 x 334
29 Chapters of the Quran starts with 14 different combinations of 14 different letters. Their frequencies in the chapters that they initialize demonstrate an interlocking numerical pattern based on 19
The number of all verses containing all those 14 letters. 19 x 6
Frequency of the letter Q in two chapters it initializes 19 x 6
Frequency of the letter Ŝ in three chapters it initializes 19 x 8
Frequency of the letters Y.S. in the chapter they initialize 19 x 15
Frequency of the letters K.H.Y.A.Ŝ in chapter they initialize 19 x 42
Frequency of the letters Ĥ.M. in seven chapters they initialize 19 x 113
The number of all different numbers mentioned in the Quran 19 x 2
The number of all numbers repeated in the Quran 19 x 16
The sum of all whole numbers mentioned in the Quran 19 x 8534
The number of lunar years in which the meaning of 19 remained hidden in Chapter 74, known al-Muddathir (The Hidden) 19 x 74
The year meaning of 19 in Ch. 74 (The Hidden) was unveiled 19 74
The number of letters in the first statement of Chapter 74 19 x 1
The numerical value of those first 19 letters in Chapter 74 19 74
The numerical value of the main message of the Quran, WAĤiD 19 x 1

sharifffudin,

I will accept your post on face value and not as just an intention to insert Islamic materials into the forum. I do not know when or if Tom Campbell will be available to respond to you. In the meantime, I will as his chosen administrator.

All of human society have a connection with the reality of consciousness that Tom reports on and have in various ways reported on it. This includes the major (and some minor) religions of the world such as Islam, Christianity and Judaism and the sect of the Suffis within Islam. This also applies to non religious pre literate societies where the function of religion was supplied by the shaman. So it is not surprising that there be some correspondences in the various writings, particularly of a superficial kind. Whether there is the same understanding at a deeper level is a different matter and I do not know Islam well enough to discuss that. Neither as I believe does Tom. You would be much better able to learn to fully understand Tom's work and determine for yourself whether there is a real correspondence than for us to learn sufficient about Islam to understand from this direction.

Ted

there are of course the Sufis as well as this Druze group I just became aware of through the work of Ian Stephenson (child past life remembrance researcher)

``Druze principles focus on honesty, loyalty, filial piety, altruism, patriotic sacrifice, and monotheism. They reject tobacco smoking, alcohol, and consumption of pork. Also, in contrast to most Islamic sects, the Druze reject polygamy, believe in reincarnation, and are not obliged to observe most of the religious rituals. The Druze believe that rituals are symbolic and have an individualistic effect on the person, for which reason Druze are free to perform them, or not. The community does celebrate Eid al-Adha, however, considered their most significant holiday.``

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Druze#Prec ... ruze_faith


It is recommended that following a period of reflection on the overlap of our background with MBTOE, be it religious, new age, science, athiest, etc, we adopt the western scientific language and ways of the MBTOE village and try to fit in.

There are several paths up the mountain, and here we are, in the same place.

An over attachment to legacy models will attract the attention of the authorities and lead to possibly being flung through the front gate. ; - )

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Does this PMR make my butt look big?

Hi Shariffudin,

While a lot of phenomena and occurrences in the Qur'an or Muhammad's life can be explained via MBT, so can the phenomena and occurrences of other religions and systems, a lot of which contradict Islamic thought and dogma. Not to mention aspects of Islamic thought and dogma also do not approve of a large portion of what MBT posits.

I'm not here to argue the validity of MBT over your religion, or argue your belief or religion. In fact I got brought up a Muslim myself and still identity as one as far as culture, tradition and heritage goes so I am extremely familiar with what you refer to (including the numerology of '19'). As such I can see where you're coming from and find it difficult to take it than anything less than face value :)

As Ted mentioned, perhaps one would be better off understanding MBT fully and making inferences from there, instead of deriving MBT from Islam.

sharifffudin,

It has been 10 days since you originally started this thread. I have not noticed your coming on the board since then. For your information, Tom is traveling and inaccessible for some further time. Do you have any interest in interacting here on the forum with the board members? There are other knowledgeable persons and one relatively new member just posted in it who is from a similar, as Muslim, background and thus as he notes, well familiar with what you ask about. My intent in what I stated above was not just a matter of putting you off. My Big TOE is a much simpler thing than the totality of the Muslim tradition so it is much simpler and more easily learned than for our to come from that direction of learning that huge background of material. I will also be sending this post to you by e-mail hoping that you will return and discuss this further. Please return and make it clear that your purpose was not just to post Islamic material on the board.

By the way, MrNovan, thank you for making that post that might help us draw out this poster to investigate his post and satisfy his questions further. Islam is a rather all encompassing view of the world and typically one that limits ones choices as to remain within that world with no choices outside of that limited acceptable behavior. It would be a fruitful discussion to explore his questions in terms of how Islam can fit into this MBT based basically science and logic oriented concept rather than religious revelation based understanding. There should basically be no conflict as we do not wish for there to be one, unless Islam chooses to see it that way. I do not mention this to put you 'on the spot'. I am not asking you to represent all of Islam in some way.

Ted

Thanks Ted, more than happy to discuss with you and Sharifffudin. Not sure where to start as Islam is so vast as you know, with esoteric, exoteric, orthodox, sects and offshoots. If Sharifffudin or yourself had any more specific questions or a starting point, I will be more than happy to discuss those. I can't seem to derive a question from the original post

Neither could I. Therefore my comments relative to just wanting to place information on Islam on the board. But it is more productive to just give the opportunity to actually interact. But I am not just going to leave it at that. If the poster does not return, then it pretty much comes down to admission that their purpose was to post Islamic references. I then would either lock the topic or remove it completely. We do not want to be viewed as anti religious here. On the other hand, I do not want the board to be used for purposes other than furthering Tom Campbell's work and mission and to promote someone elses agenda.

If you have anything in regards to this theme to discuss related to Islam and its potential or actual relationship to MBT, then discuss away.

Ted