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PostPosted: Sat Mar 24, 2012 11:16 am 
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The convention in most meters used as indicators registering an electrical potential as a representation of some variable have the convention that zero is with the meter indicator or pointer to the left end of the scale and the convention that maximum value is with the meter indicator to the right end of the scale. Thus 'leaning to the right' indicates towards higher values. It has no 'political' implications.

There are meters which indicate values varying from negative to positive with a center zero point when the indicator is vertical. This would be something like an old fashioned charge/discharge meter for a car battery.

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Ted thank you but I didn't ask for your bias built upon ancient myth concerning cultural bias of "left/right" to be shown okay, but rather whomever it was that I asked to show theirs. It's on the previous page and my ISP makes it too slow for me to go back and get the data. I'm going to go with probability and say Randy but think it was Montana...;)
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It was Montana. I knew that I would give a more complete and neutral description so I did. There have been complaints before that when asked the time, I explain how to build a watch. But if I think that concepts are worth describing, I do so. We simply in our culture are unlikely to find a gas gage, for instance, showing a full tank with the needle on the left and an empty tank with the needle on the right hand end of the scale. There are books describing engineering standards about these kinds of things so that someone does not create confusion by not following a convention. There are other aspects of this in terms of where to locate things for best visibility, how big to make them and how to label them for optimal clarity and such. Probably originating in our writing from left to right. Other cultures that write from right to left probably would design the opposite if they were originating technology instead of Western society with our left to right bias.

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;-/

Meters, lots of them anyway, measure all sorts of things like voltage, amps, etc... as the needle moves to the right it indicates increase... sometimes there is a 'red zone' where a reading is getting too high for a particular application.

Um... nothing was meant to be implied about either left/right brain hemispheres or politics.

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It would have been different if you would have just answered Montana it wasn't a big deal, still isn't, I just like to bring to attention the use of right/left stuff to see if the person knows where it all comes from.
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in the initial days of the right wing conspiracy, we made great effort to ensure that all electronic meters measured "to the right". This was important to instill a subconscious bias toward fascist thinking.

I have heard that should Obama be re-elected, their will be an executive order requiring that meters measure current "to the left", to correct for this bias.

McCain/Liberman have come out saying that there should be a compromise, with meters measuring left on odd days of the month, and measuring right on even days!

The Chinese have offered to refurbish all the meters for a bulk rate, but the military has raised security concerns.

The Canadians could not be reached for comment, they are all in Florida and won't turn on their cellphones, in fear of roaming charges.

TOEists have proposed a novel solution, simply look at the meters from rear, and remote view the meter.

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I'm not on this computer thing 24/7 Bette. I AM on it way too much ... a short-coming that I rationalize by blaming evil weather. I should probably start shopping for a competing rationalization so that they can fight each other into oblivion, and I can sit peacefully on my cumulus cloud oming across the sky. I did answer your question when I saw it.

It, this being a Sunday morning, might be fun to speculate how we will manage to think about all our right/left usages, literal and metaphoric, once we make a steady home in the NPMR-lands, where point-consciousness and 360-degree vision are the rule. ..... where vision exists at all that is. How provincial we sound here!

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TOEists have proposed a novel solution, simply look at the meters from rear, and remote view the meter.
You are funny Randy and I do Love you. This looking at the meter from outside the PMR basically reminds me of the view of the stars on the Einstein @ Home computer sharing (looking for gravitational waves) screensaver that shows them from outside the solar system.

There is no direction in NPMR Montana is what you are saying? I have always thought about direction in outer space having none. Here the right/left is easily exampled with the old bias against left handed people which I think originated in this go around of this PMR with bias for solar (Ra) (the right eye of Horus) rather than lunar (Thoth) (the left eye of Horus) "gods" to be in seeming control of nature being able to predict astronomical events using one of the tools of lunar or solar patterns timings. This is the start of a lot of B.S.
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Montana wrote:
... a short-coming that I rationalize by blaming evil weather.

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I am currently going through my first winter-free experience due to (legal) teleworking and leave without pay.

After 54 years of suffering through some of the worst weather on the planet, it is a very interesting datastream. I continue to be astonished at how much weather effects mood and mental health.

At the prodding of my neice, I watched a few episodes of "How I met your mother". The Canadian character referred to having an all-summer fling in Canada, and it was the 10 best days of her life. ; - )

One of the things about semi-tropical weather is the impact on materialism and social interaction. There is an endless list of things to do that do not require money to enjoy, even simply walking around the block and listening to the birds. Windows and doors are open, people are on their porches, and social interaction is baked in by simply moving around.

Television is something that gets turned on later and later, and less and less, without any effort.

One can live very very cheaply in Florida (or Arizona), if done a certain way to avoid financial traps. The tax system is strongly biased toward lower-income-employed/pensioned. Not a good place to be on county welfare, and they exploit second-home owners proportionate to the price of the property...the latter being the actual state tax base.

For SouthWestFlorida, the key is to be east of the freeway 75 to avoid much higher hurricane evacuation zone insurance charges. The economy is starting to pick up and I am seeing help wanted signs. One of course should never move somewhere without the job lined up first, (so the method is to begin with vacationing in Florida) or a very large stash of backup money, especially if children are in tow. Attractive places pay much less than unattractive places...you are paid in sunshine, but I would say for lower entropy dudes, this is a profitable trade.

Healthcare is king regarding jobs, if one is in a position to obtain a health related credential, such as a medical testing tech of some variety. Many keep gardens going year-round, with some goats on acre parcels to qualify for drastically reduced property tax.

A person on a small fixed income, not tied down to a job, could also snowbird by staying in a northern summer lake/river cabin in the summer (some find the summer heat to be oppressive, others adapt - I find heat to be uncomfortable, but not depressing) and renting something modest in Florida in the winter, which is what my maternal grandparents did.

There are hundreds of lifestyle options. Some live on houseboats and some live in converted trucks. I recommend a person thinking about this to make a long road trip from coastal Texas around the gulf to Key West, then drive up the east coast to Savannah, to begin getting the lay of the land, in January, or you could take my word for it an just focus on southwestflorida. There is a very active TMI group in Naples.

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I can attest to the fact that south west Florida climate (especially if you have spent most of your life in the NE of North America) compares as a lower level of heaven to an upper level of hell. Loved the flora, the fauna, and the soft air, and had a morning glory vine that took over a whole fence, then with a net thrown which it promptly covered, climbed half the roof.

Nice to hear that there is an active TOEster group in Naples.

Key, for me, for the heat, was regular exercise, lots of water, light clothes, and take mineral supplements. I could go for a five mile run on an August afternoon and I just loved it... but when the sweat dried, my arms were covered with slat exuded from the sweat.

ALWAYS wear sneakers when you swim in the ocean. One step on those sting-ray buggers and you'll know why!


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Montana wrote:
I can attest to the fact that south west Florida climate (especially if you have spent most of your life in the NE of North America) compares as a lower level of heaven to an upper level of hell. Loved the flora, the fauna, and the soft air, and had a morning glory vine that took over a whole fence, then with a net thrown which it promptly covered, climbed half the roof.

I grew up in Tennessee but now live in Maine. I certainly don't enjoy having tons of snow on the ground for half the year, but the mild summers more than make up for it, I think. Clean air and lots of trees!


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I used to live in Maine and we always told people "from away" that we had 9 months of wintah and 3 months of poor sleddin'.


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Abi wrote:
I used to live in Maine and we always told people "from away" that we had 9 months of wintah and 3 months of poor sleddin'.

Haha, I like to tell summah people about the four seasons... almost wintah, wintah, still wintah, and road construction.


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