Montana,

I like your approach to a dismantling or getting free of beliefs. Your description of some resulting disorientations is very familiar to me. I cannot say, that my tactic is the same. Actually I have done it intentionally only once. One of my fears is gone, as a result of my meditation and movies, which my guides have shown to me. Sometimes it is very vivid, almost as I would live through it. Other times I am a passive observer, and my feelings are not touched significantly.

Please continue to post here your thoughts and observations.

Lena

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Ok Claudio - keep all your beliefs and call them whatever you choose......

There are all kinds of beliefs, global beliefs, personal beliefs, spiritual beliefs, cultural beliefs, etc. Have a second look at your comments about saving your daughter from perceived dangers - perhaps you believe the life of your daughter is more important than yours..... (the shark scenario)..... or maybe the belief is that parents shouldn't outlive their children....or that men are supposed to protect their women......or that giving your life for another is how you prove your love....

That's where beliefs show up....they drive our actions and reactions. Our actions and reactions speak louder than our words!

I am not "dissing" you in any way, shape or form Claudio. I have immense respect for your intelligence and contributions. My intention is to make you aware that beliefs abound! Even your belief that you have little or no beliefs will shape your actions and reactions.

People also have what I like to call "sacred beliefs". Those are beliefs that they'll fight for, die for, etc., Maybe someone (yourself perhaps) has a sacred belief that when you truly love someone, their happiness, safety, whatever...is more important than your own. Some have sacred beliefs about freedom -they'd fight for it or die for it. (a popular american belief).

Many beliefs are formed simply because of we live in a world of duality. There are two types of fundamental consciousness - unified or dualistic. We are dualistic consciousness - striving for unified.

Love Debbie

Oh the irony.... :)

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Claudio:

I'm from Norway.

Montana:




:)

-k

Debbie: Ok Claudio - keep all your beliefs and call them whatever you choose......

Claudio: I don't keep them, I'll return them to the originator. I can call them Debbies :)

Debbie: There are all kinds of beliefs, global beliefs, personal beliefs, spiritual beliefs, cultural beliefs, etc. Have a second look at your comments about saving your daughter from perceived dangers - perhaps you believe the life of your daughter is more important than yours..... (the shark scenario)..... or maybe the belief is that parents shouldn't outlive their children....or that men are supposed to protect their women......or that giving your life for another is how you prove your love....

Claudio: I don't do it because of any beliefs. I do it because of LOVE. Now you are going to tell me that LOVE is a belief. So everything is a belief according to you. I don't like to use the word belief because it reminds me of dogma.

I found this: "The basis on which beliefs are based. For example a religious belief system is based on faith and dogma whereas a scientific belief system is based on observation and reason."

I found it here: http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/belief_system

Well, I can say then my beliefs are primarily based on observation, personal experiences and reason and I don't like to call them beliefs. I try to stay away from that word. Disgusting (LOL).

Debbie: People also have what I like to call "sacred beliefs". Those are beliefs that they'll fight for, die for, etc., Maybe someone (yourself perhaps) has a sacred belief that when you truly love someone, their happiness, safety, whatever...is more important than your own. Some have sacred beliefs about freedom -they'd fight for it or die for it. (a popular american belief).

Claudio: Well, I spent more time in PMR than my daughter. It makes sense that if I have to decide between her and me I would decide for me (I'll be the lucky one to get out of here first). If it was between my mom and I, she is 80, so I'll say: "See you later alligator", I love her though :)

Debbie: Many beliefs are formed simply because of we live in a world of duality.

Claudio: That's your belief.

Debbie: There are two types of fundamental consciousness - unified or dualistic. We are dualistic consciousness - striving for unified.

Claudio: That's your belief.

Debbie: Love Debbie

Claudio: Is that a belief?

Claudio (I believe)

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