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Virtual Reality is going to be big I think getting in on the ground floor would seem proactive. :)
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yea. i look forward to it's implementation. i suspect however, that it will simply replace existing markets of entertainment, so the guys working on videogames and movies will simply migrate over to that when it becomes viable, a lot like what happened when kids movies and tv shows moved to 3d. all the old animators of paper and pen made the transition to the 3d programs. of course being one of the first to hook onto one of the first companies to attack this medium could be very lucrative! i'm keeping my eyes open.

in the more immediate future, i'm looking very much forward to the availability of home 3d printers. now quality ones cost 10K+, when that price drops to about 1.2k, it will open up a whole new market for design!

at the point that 3d printers are common household products, a designer can create a 3d data file of, say, a lamp or such thing, upload it to a site, and someone can download it for a fee, and "print" it out in their homes!!!

a whole new market for data and design will be available to tap. a whole new market of products for consumers too!

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I like the sound of medical image 3D as a direction to develop

Moving closer to parents to offload daycare?

Move to a very low cost region, if you can generate some income online?

That entry level job with the long commute may be part of the dues you will need to pay, even though you will be behind short term

Maybe the damn bird will become the key thing in your portfolio that opens a door, which would be pretty ironic

further out of box thinking
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we currently live within reasonable proximity to the grandparents. they however all work and cannot provide daycare.

i realize the entry level thing is part of the "gateway" into some companies. the 2 entry level jobs i did make the cut on however were 1.5 hours away by car, and the same by public transport. the pays were day rates of 150 bucks, for 10 hours of work, which is... agh, ghastly when considering the commutes. i would have gone and stuck them out if i thought we could swing the finances, but reality is, we're running a very thin budget. we would have been knocked out financially after a month.

the medical imaging, i think will be the next thing i work on. i have the idea now of depicting the surgery of placing tubes in the eardrum, and the effects. we'll see when i get around to it.

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i've come to some conclusions over the last week or so about my career. i thought back, way back, to when i stated down this path, and my original goal WAS to work from home as a designer. i didn't want to work at a studio at the time, until i started getting caught up in learning about the field. my original plan, or dream from probably 6 years ago was to work form home, own my own business, and build websites. i taught myself basic website design at the time, and decided it was not something i was excited about. i eventually moved into 3D, form the perspective that i wanted to "work on videogames." this opinion was formed from doing QA testing on flash games for about 2 years. i learned i liked the art, and the design process involved. QA suited me, but i learned all i could in the field in that time. i became disinterested with that aspect, but interested in learning other aspects. i still stuck it out for the pay however. it was then i thought i wanted to assist in creating games, thus the entry of myself into school for 3d...

after school, i pursued game studios in my area and outside, then advertising firms, then architectural firms, then film in that order. i eventually found myself doing freelance out of necessity. in freelance, i have found i like the variety of work, and the "wearing of many hats." talking with people i have met in the field of games, i have learned that 3D in games is a bit.. dry. there's not a lot of lateral design involved. it's mostly top-down and directed. the result is you can spend years making rocks, cars, or other things. if in animation, the same, you make thousands of walk/run cycles. this has tempered my search a bit learning about this. i have focused on freelance as a result. this decision was not known to me consciously i think. i sort of "gave up" the search for these jobs when i started getting excited about some of the contracts available for freelance, and after some conversations with acquaintances in the field.

what i don't like about freelance NOW, is the pay, and the quality of the jobs i'm working on. i seem to need to work on a project i care about, to derive satisfaction. the end product has to be something i'm proud of participating in. i'm currently finishing up some work on 2 iphone apps. they are boring, uninspired and dry programs with no inherent "vision." they're essentially disposable things. these projects, and ones like it in the past have sort of soured the taste of 3d freelancing in my mouth. i don't really like working on them, as i know my effort will be contributing to something pretty "lame."

in my searches for projects, i've seen some really great ones that i would LOVE to be part of, but could not land the gig. i've sort of forgotten about this. THERE'S STUFF I WANT TO DO IN FREELANCE! i just can't get it. or have not been able to get it in the past. i've sort of falsely surmised that it's impossible for me to do so, because of the hundreds of instances where i have not.

i've concluded that there must be an issue with my website. my shit just isn't "up to snuff" to get those gigs i want. my focus should be on tearing my site and demreel apart and building them back up anew. as is, if i were to look at my representative website, i can see that the content is good quality, but the presentation is bland, or unimpressive when matched up against a firm's site. i have to go back into flash and kick some stuff around, and come up with some impressive presentation options...

looking at my competition, those that land good gigs, are design or art firms. not individuals. their sites are mostly awesome, with many interactive elements, and testimonials. there's not much in there displaying technical aptitude of the members, it's all flash and bang and "impress," instead of demonstration. mine has little interactivity, and little testimonials. my site is still mostly geared to getting a "job" than it is attracting clients. i display my technical aptitude on the site, in with my creative stuff. if my plan is to freelance this bitch, i need to get rid of that as well, and focus on the creative stuff. clients don't care or even know enough about the field to comprehend the technical content i have on there. i have in my demoreel a breakdown of the wireframe of a car, and a room, as well as a breakdown of the texturing elements of a character. to a client's eyes, this is meaningless and unimpressive, as they really don't understand it. to a recruiter or HR, or an art lead, it speaks well though of my aptitude.

if i'm to get good contracts, i have to make a firm-like site, not a "employee" like site.

this sofar seems to be the most straightforward line for me. the thing blocking my progress to achieve what i believe i want to achieve, is determined. it's luckily just one or two things as far as i can tell now, my representative website and demoreel. this makes me feel a bit better about my situation.

my ultimate "dream" goal has seemed to coalesce into the following: work form home, buy a house in a semi rural area with lots of land on the cheap. learn about carpentry and masonry, and improve upon it. the only unknown here is my wife. she's got a good job where she is. to achieve the "dream" she would have to find a job in that semi-rural area of equivalent cost of living pay. she has not talked much about finding a different job or much along that line. we're expecting our 3rd child this summer, so things will have to wait for a while on that effect. in that time, i can re-make my website and reel, and work on some better representative content to target a client's eyes...

i suspect that with my current workload it will take mayb 2 months to achieve that... mayb 3 depending on how much more i have to learn about flash to achieve what i ultimately come up with.

there's also the FEAR of the unknown in here. the thought of supporting a family on the transient elements of freelance is a bit frightening. it's a hurdle, and it is one i have come to the conclusion as something that is holding me back form pursuing it. i tell myself i "don't want to freelance," and a large part of that is the fear of this unknown income. what will i do between projects? what will happen to my family if i can't make enough money one month? what will happen if i can't land enough in a year? what will happen if i make a lot in one month, and over project my earnings and get into a hole the next couple months? on and on and on... it's scary. i don't currently know how to overcome this thought. it is as far as i can tell, one of the larger elements holding me back within myself. the onyl way i can conceive if "fixing" this fear, is having my wife have a steady paychck substantial enough to pay a mortgage and bills, and my income being supplemental and used towards college funds, home improvement, and acquisition of house assets... but that's asking a LOT from her. i can't foresee this being a reality as well, as her field is a bit specific as well, and finding something that she's doing now somewhere in a cheap cost of living area may be difficult. also there's the pride. i'm male, and that means i make the money for the roof over the heads and the food on the table, and all that... also, as said earlier, that's asking for a lot form my wife, to ave all that on her shoulders while i get the freedom of not having that responsibility on my shoulders. it wouldn't be fair. so... i guess short of a functional solution to my fear, i'm left having to face it...


I really like how you talk about your wife. Her job sounds like something going well, so I guess you need to protect that income stream.

You may be overweighting the importance of getting meaning from your work. I would switch it around to accepting that this is what the invisible hand is asking for, so thats what you give them, as efficiently as possible.

And do creative cool stuff on spec on the side, throw up a YouTube video and go viral

And then you shift to getting your meaning from your interactions, and the quality of your performance there.

Maybe take a hard look at your expenses, do you need high end cable, can you find cheaper cell contracts, cut your landline, cook more from scratch, shop at dollar stores and Walmart?

Could you use this skill to promote MBTOE? Get some karma credits with the system?

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You may be overweighting the importance of getting meaning from your work. I would switch it around to accepting that this is what the invisible hand is asking for, so thats what you give them, as efficiently as possible.

possibly. i've entertained the idea that i'm being motivated by a selfish pursuit, but i just keep coming back to "it makes me unhappy." from there i can trace the reason, and it's often traced back to creative fulfillment, meaning, or lack of contribution to a larger project i believe in. short of changing what i consider my ideals, there's no other answer.

in previous careers, as i didn't find fulfillment, as the work was not really something that was fulfilling. i would for a time find meaning in learning the job and the skills required for them... but eventually would get bored and hate the job when i mastered it.

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this is how i've been "feeding" that need for the past couple years, short of attempting to go viral, or other such thing. i would work at the crap contracts all day, then at night i would poke at what i want to make. as stated before, that motivation had run out of gas in the past couple months. i'm sort of going back to this mode now. work at the crap during the day, and poke at the creative stuff at night when there's time.
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And then you shift to getting your meaning from your interactions, and the quality of your performance there.

unsure what you mean by this. do you mean interactions with other people?

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Maybe take a hard look at your expenses, do you need high end cable, can you find cheaper cell contracts, cut your landline, cook more from scratch, shop at dollar stores and Walmart?

we've got this pretty much down to a science. i could outline what measures we take, but that would be boring. i'll sum it up by saying that we approach household financial needs in a militaristic fashion, with "warplans" for a week's meals to optimize our bucks, and "theaters" where we acquire groceries for appropriate costs dependent on items. we even have it figured out for gas mileage invested to each different store. the only disposable expense we have is netflix. our cable bill is tied into internet, which is a necessity for me to acquire contracts and communicate with clients. we have no landline, only 2 cellphones between us.


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Could you use this skill to promote MBTOE? Get some karma credits with the system?

i have been considering this. i would not feel comfortable to do so however until after i have completed reading the books. i've done a couple things for myself in the past along the lines of collected consciousnesses and physical affects of thoughts on a body, before being exposed to mbt. i plan on doing so again after some time spent digesting the info.

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the bird is coming along better than i thought. the fur solution previously mentioned is working out well. i had to rely on researching a couple tutorials on the subject however, specifically regarding fur and mental ray interactions. i've learned quite a bit more about the different settings that can be used with the nodes and mental ray. i've decided to use volumetric fur placed onto the underlying geometry. the underlying geometry's material is a lambert with color texture, and the same color texture plugged into the ambiance, to minimize the deep shadows that appear with volumetric fur. the bird is nearly completely modeled, and about 40% textured. i still ahve to model the back's feathers, and the chest and ehad feathers. the rest rest is mostly texture work and baking it it into the fur nodes, then texture the non-fur parts (beak/legs.) i will be using grayscale bump mapping to this end instead of normal mapping. i've grown to love the "good ol" way of painting bumpmaps for things like cracks/scales on objects over soft surface modelling. it's more efficient and accurate to do so for me through photoshop and using the grayscale textures as output. it's entirely too easy to outline things like scales then just whack them with a layer style to achieve cracks and such things, than it is to go fart around in zbrush with a wacom and physically build in scales. i still have to color match the feather geometry to the fur color, but that will come in with further texturing. fur is a bit finnickey, so i will expect that there will be a lot of test rendering and re-plugging tweaks output from photoshop. i could fix this by building separate render layers and doing it all in post work, but i like the feeling that i've build a coherent "unit" in 3d space that can be modular, rather than separate disparate pieces that have to be re-composed in photoshop after each time its rendered.

the bird sofar: please don't judge anything about him yet. he's unfinished as stated. i'm pretty aware of what i need to fix yet, and what looks ok sofar. i'm putting him here mostly so i can have a record of his progress. this sofar represents about 20hrs of work. probably another 10-15 to go. and another few hours on whatever environment i end up putting him in. most of the hours have been sunk into learning about how to render the fur acceptably using mental ray.
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sorry for technical talk. i put it here just so that i can look back some day and see why i did "this or that" a certain way. i'm apparently too lazy to make myself a formal diary for my work and the process, so it's here...

one problem i am encountering however, is envisioning the environment the bird will be in. i initially imagined the bird, pretty much as i saw it in my "trip". in space, above/below/beside the earth, with a pool reflecting the earth. i imagined putting the bird in the pool, just after catching a fish in it's beak... it sounds kinda cool, but, ehh... the more i imagine it, the more uninteresting it seems to me, the scene. a giant space-herron fishing galactic fish out of a pool that reflects the earth... the more i imagine the scene, the more i'm envisioning that wolf tshirt... and how terrible it looks... mayb just because it's a tshirt... it's technically well done and detailed... but it's well.. i guess the word is silly looking. i don't want this to look silly.
http://www.amazon.com/Mountain-Three-Wo ... B002HJ377A

i've spent a lot of time trying to come to some way to depict this bird, and how i saw it, but am coming up short. it's the hang up on the process now... my plan is to go "see" the bird some night. put on the headphones and try and find him again, and mayb find some inspiration there. we'll see... i've been terribly tired lately. i've been busy with doctors appointments and other things for me, the kids, and my wife, almost everyday, and have had to take the time that i normally would be working on contract work and making money doing that. as a result i've been staying up later trying to hit some deadlines, and it's starting to wear on me. only so many hours in a day day... i'm sort of afraid if i attempted to put the headphones on, i would immediately just fall asleep. been pretty unfocused lately too. my normal meditative schedule has been way out of whack, and as a result, i'm finding my thoughts to be pretty drifty and unconnected. focus is also waning. i'm a bit inefficient when working. there have been mroe than a couple hours spent on the bird too that were pretty much wastes. i would encounter a problem, and try and brute force it away, or just fart around with it, instead of actually spending some thought on the problem and actually fixing it correctly. ex: i had problem with the bird's fur at one point where it was too "stringy" or wiry looking. i tried to fix this with a stylistic approach, a photoshop post production approach, and retexturing approach... when all i had to do was mess with the opacity of the fur itself... one little slider had to be touched, instead of meandering all around the place bumbling at things that vaguely could fix the "symptom."


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Are you making it cool/cute/scary/interesting enough? Drama? Art direction?

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tigert/986959168/
http://reshade.com/resize-image/Space-war-50350601
http://my.opera.com/AdamantSeed/albums/showpic.dml?album=702675&picture=9518505
http://wallpaperswin7.blogspot.com/2011/02/best-free-desktop-wallpapers-of-3d_7069.html

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_UvAr3Ly1HEE/THZi1cOPwpI/AAAAAAAAAnw/1RKuyclTa4k/s1600/CrystalCathedralStatueEagle.JPG

http://www.123rf.com/photo_4461155_old-statue-of-an-eagle-on-a-blue-sky-in-rome-italy.html

https://www.123rf.com/photo_4461153_close-up-of-an-old-statue-of-an-eagle-in-rome-italy.html

When you make portraits, make them flattering.

http://animewriter.files.wordpress.com/2008/12/arumi-free-floating-in-space.jpg

http://www.123rf.com/photo_7573473_a-baby-floating-in-space-representing-new-beginnings.html

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unsure what you mean by this. do you mean interactions with other people?
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Yeah...maybe if you were working in an office, you would have more opportunity to exercise good intent regarding interactions...which is one source of meaning - or just more deeply appreciate the family interactions that you have

I believe TOEism suggests that material goals are important, but are only a support function to our real purpose, which is to improve the other centered ness of our interactions

Because the only fundamental thing in our lives, that is not virtual, are the FWAUs we encounter in the game...and everything else is arranging the furniture on the stage, as Tom has said.

And FWAUs are not just data, they are the PMR face of an IOUC, which is a real thing

Doing boring or non-innovative work, in order to support your family, has deep meaning...check out logo therapy
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It's harder when you are working from home...you are alone with your work, and you can't compensate by seeking meaning from office interactions

I get the learning addiction. I coped by changing jobs every couple of years, which was possible as I work in a very large organization where lateral job switching is very easy. An appetite for novelty, which I think is a DNA trait, can be very destabilizing to your money life.
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I am starting to develop a mental picture of you...and you seem in very good shape fundamentally...

I think the Antony Robbins will help your motivation and intensity. For the life you have chosen, you are going to have to be very self motivated and sharp, constantly refining your efficiency and setting increasingly high bars of performance, and making some luck, applying some conscious focussed intent white magic....

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@ Man.

thanx for the links. i sometimes forget to move around laterally with an idea, and box myself into a "belief," and here that belief was on a fear that what i was attempting to achieve would be "silly". as i write this, i'm looking at a render i accidentally made, that is... ahh, just perfect for what i want to achieve... the accident happened from a misplaced camera. i've been rendering with a "render camera" and editing the model with a "modelling camera," the render camera is pretty much fixed in space, and light angles are test lights from the front.... anyways, in my clumsiness, i shot out a test render on the fur... only it was set to render form the "modelling camera." the view was from behind the model, with the lights coming towards the camera... anyways, it gave me a glimpse into the effect i want to achieve... i still have to find a way to tie the effect into the environment...

the lighting might achieve something like this link you provided: http://reshade.com/resize-image/Space-war-50350601


@krorean.

i wish i could say i readily achieve satisfaction from interactions with other people. i find it hard. i'm by nature, very hermit-like. i prefer myself for company over others (excluding my family.) in the exceptions that i do derive satisfaction, it's from people i've known a very long time, and know me as well as i know them. in there i find meaningful interaction.

i guess i could say i have a terminal case of introversion, and always have. it's something i will examine closer though, as a possible faulty belief about myself, but my gut is telling me that it is how i am "built." i've always, even as a young kid, preferred to lock myself away in the basement building cities out of legos and lincoln logs, over visiting with the street's kids... my prime satisfaction is pretty much in creation, and has been for as long as i can remember.

when you last mentioned Antony Robbins i didn't look too closely. his site is built upon the premise seemingly of ordering his products, which turned me off. i'll give him a second look. can you explain for me, if you don't mind, the jist of his message, and how you found value in it personally? that could help me better initially frame the material.

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i attempted the night before last to "go visit" the bird, via the binary beat method i've been using. length, time, position were the same as the previous method.

i didn't get too far. i saw a lot of brief visuals, but found myself having trouble concentrating my attention onto any one. a lot of fragmented images, scenarios, and pieces of seemingly nothing related. much i don't remember, and couldn't record down immediately after. i didn't get the sense i "went" anywhere. a couple times however, i really did feel myself SLIP hard into a sleep state. i could physically feel my consciousness fall from me, then rebound back. i was tired. probably too tired to hold any intent, consciousness or observations. i was sort of just drifting around... heh... will have to read more from tom on how consciousness creates the body, don't like the feeling of being a "slave" to the physical body for things like this...

there was however one theme that was steady. i was "eating" or "being fed" by myself or other things on different occasions. eating fish, rocks, river rocks, corkscrews, knives... egh. that's all i got form it. might try tonight again. i got good rest lastnight due to an abatement of my back pain and cold i've been dealing with for the past 2 days. no appointments today either to interrupt my normal schedule of meditation and workload... progress on the bird should resume tonight, and during the day between requests. hoping to get a lot done...


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I don't know what Robbins is up to now, but 20 years ago I was into his books and tapes. You can probably pick up his old tapes on eBay for a dollar, or download mp3s I suppose.

Robbins takes an entirely science /research based approach to motivation and extreme performance, like Weil takes a science based approach to health.

We would often listen to his tapes/CDs on car trips or commutes...as well as all the other professional motivational dudes.

Robbins would say things like

- communication is about what the other person hears, not what you think you are saying
- vice is sourced in a lack of perceived decision space when low on emotional gas
- accomplishment is not about the money
- your life reflects your attitude
- your income moves in the direction of the mean of your friends income
- visualization of an action is as valuable as practicing the action
- reach beyond self limiting belief to try to accomplish the impossible

I think anyone who is self employed or in a profession that has high rewards for top performance, or unacceptable income for mediocre performance,...needs a Robbins pep talk daily

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just a really quick update to document progress for now...

about 6 hours applied over last:
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still gotta figure out what to do with the body... head and neck are pretty much done. beak still needs detail.


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Would not natural feathers lay more flatly to the surface contours of the body, unless the bird was deliberately ruffling or fluffing its feathers? Would not the head and neck just be a much smaller version of the feathers used on the body, with appropriate colors. They might look flat and slick, but they would actually be feathers.

Just asking. You were the one that saw the bird.

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yea they would, and is a look i'm still trying to figure out technically.

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on this bird, the head/neck feathers are very tiny and soft "needles." the overall look is much like a baby duck's feathers. i'm hoping i accomplished that here.

as for the body, as you see it here is basically in a test configuration. i wanted the definition of individual feathers while retaining the detail of the "fur." i was hoping i could make the feathers somewhat transparent or "soft" and mix them in with fur clumps, and haven't fully experimented with it. as is now, is just the technical setup i need, but without any of the futzing around of the attributes yet.

however, i'm thinking i will probably give up on individual feather definition on the body, as it does contrast sharply with the head/neck. on the bird in reality, their feathers are very thin and comb-like over the body, and only the wings retain the individual feather definition. the main challenge will be to integrate the wing's defined feathers with the "fuzzy" body somehow. the above image was just one configuration i've been exploring to tie it together, and i already don't like it.


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Hi!

I found this via Gnaural's Facebook page which has highlighted this thread.

The following is just what I gathered based on your description and may be way off the mark.

The second vision you had was rather interesting. I believe it was communicating in metaphor.

The throne room, where you mentioned a throne but no occupant, could indicate an absence of some sort. So could space, but that could also mean your subconscious giving you what you need(more Space!). The elephant could be telling you that what you seek isn't where you expect to find it, and the bird could be telling you that where it is could be scary(the initial form) and perhaps could lead you to prejudge that it would be painful when in reality it isn't(being bitten). Lesson: don't judge by past experiences or initial reactions; they may be wrong.

Also, maybe the bird didn't want a literal image of itself, but perhaps you are to paint that image on the canvas of your life. Remember, the beak was the only thing 'real' about this bird. Nothing else mattered. This, perhaps, was to focus you on what the beak could teach you. You stated that the bird's beak was fine, pointed, surgical and efficient, while yours was broad and axe-like. Have you ever heard of someone referring to overkill as 'performing surgery with a hatchet'? Maybe your subconscious is telling you that you should take a finer approach.

The bird consumed blue fish, while you consumed bones. Eating is typically metaphorically what you do with the fruits of your labor. The color blue here has several different possible meanings, but I believe it could be used in the sense of blue ribbons or chips(meaning success). Fish were probably used simply because that is what herons eat, but bones could indicate that the approach of the axe is best suited to feasting on remains. You get whatever the lion left.

Putting it all together, you will have to adopt the heron's beak in all its glory and connotations if you are to become an entrepreneur(feasting on blue fish) rather than an employee(feasting on bones), even though that, at first, may seem scary and uncomfortable.


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PostPosted: Sun Feb 19, 2012 8:04 pm 
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ieldanth wrote:
Hi!

I found this via Gnaural's Facebook page which has highlighted this thread.

The following is just what I gathered based on your description and may be way off the mark.

The second vision you had was rather interesting. I believe it was communicating in metaphor.

ah, didn't know this was featured. interesting!

welcome here btw! the forum is a trove of great info to be found! i've just begun going through it. just wish there was enough time in the day to go through it all.

since this is a featured thread on gnaural, i'll upload here my file that i used at a later time.


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The throne room, where you mentioned a throne but no occupant, could indicate an absence of some sort. So could space, but that could also mean your subconscious giving you what you need(more Space!).

i left a bit out of my description above, as i didn't want to be too wordy, and wanted to get to the meat and potatoes of the "trip," which seemed to center around he bird.

the throne room did have an occupant in it if i remember right. he was hard to discern, but the best i can describe him is a skeletal figure with no mouth, and robed in tattered rags... the visual here, i'm pretty certain was self created, i was fairly "in control" of what i was seeing, and did not experience any sensations other than visual. no fear, joy, etc, was just a "video." i was not actively interacting or talking to anyone, and noone/thing was really interacting with me.

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The elephant could be telling you that what you seek isn't where you expect to find it, and the bird could be telling you that where it is could be scary(the initial form) and perhaps could lead you to prejudge that it would be painful when in reality it isn't(being bitten). Lesson: don't judge by past experiences or initial reactions; they may be wrong.


the part about being bitten feels pretty spot on. i expected pain, and received pleasure. i outlined, above, some responses to others who brought up "the fear of the unknown" in response to other elements, which i feel this mostly falls under.

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Also, maybe the bird didn't want a literal image of itself, but perhaps you are to paint that image on the canvas of your life. Remember, the beak was the only thing 'real' about this bird. Nothing else mattered. This, perhaps, was to focus you on what the beak could teach you.

i'm quite certain he wanted a literal image of him, as much of the discussion was centered around that. i challenged the idea by saying "i doubt i could do your beak justice," and saying other things of the like, which he responded to directly. i feel that if it was some metaphor, that would have steered the conversation in that direction to illuminate it as such. he mostly tried to convince me that i should do it, or tried to help me when i asked for more information. the sense was there, definitely too, as a request for payment... mayb payment isn't the right word. mayb a "test" is the right word. i got the feeling he wasn't vain, and didn't "need' some image of his likeness for any reason, but he just wanted me to do it.

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You stated that the bird's beak was fine, pointed, surgical and efficient, while yours was broad and axe-like. Have you ever heard of someone referring to overkill as 'performing surgery with a hatchet'? Maybe your subconscious is telling you that you should take a finer approach.

this has been a focus of some of my thoughts since the "trip." i've come to the conclusion that it is a metaphorical translation of personal approach and action. the fine pointed surgical beak is used accurately to "pick" what is needed patiently, and no more. my approach, is to cut to the meat of an issue as efficiently as possible. the metaphor didn't seem important to the subject of what is eaten. when getting that particular visual, the important thing was not the "food" but the "action." his action is of precision; mine is of "cutting to the center." this i've found is accurate of how i learn and go about solving problems. i have a tendency to disregard anything unimportant and focus in completely at the subject at hand. i really do "hack" into whatever problem/subject i'm presented with and get through the surface to the "meat" as efficiently as possible. i'm not one to indulge bullshit, or unimportant details i guess is another way of saying it.

the visual regarding the axe into the bone described in detail as follows:

there was a "bone" on a chopping block, standing upright, as if suspended by a string, or held upright by an invisible hand. the axe/beak came down on the top of it with great force, shattering and splintering the bone utterly, with a single "whack" leaving just the marrow. the marrow was left upright, intact and there was no bone to be seen. the marrow was not consumed. the impression i got from it was that i had pride in this ability, and should. it seemed to be a "talent," i guess is a way to describe it, and not something that should be changed, but perhaps added to?

i have considered however, that he might "teach" me how to hunt like him, hunt for me, or show me how to hunt in my own way. i've also considered after making the image, the image will hunt for me. i don't know which it will be, and am not concerned yet with which, if any.


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The color blue here has several different possible meanings, but I believe it could be used in the sense of blue ribbons or chips(meaning success).

they were curiously blue now you mention it. they were almost candy-like. like those sweedish fish, or gummy bear candies. i'll have to keep this in mind, as to what that means. i'm reflexively hesitant to ascribe it to some success idea. i'm more inclined to go with my gut and say they "looked tasty," and something i would like to eat. (i like gummy candies)

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Putting it all together, you will have to adopt the heron's beak in all its glory and connotations if you are to become an entrepreneur(feasting on blue fish) rather than an employee(feasting on bones), even though that, at first, may seem scary and uncomfortable.


since the "trip" i googled blue herons to see if there's any sort of archetypical meaning to them to the public consciousness, and the overall thought is they are symbolic of independence, patience, success, individuality, and dignity. some of those traits would benefit a freelancer...


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That is one of the hazards of metaphor, especially the kind found in 'trips'. They are meant specifically for the recipient and are therefore subject to misinterpretation in the hands of others. They are also unique in the fact that a well-crafted metaphor(which the subconscious is supremely capable of creating) contains vast amounts of information, far more than meets the eye.

Now that I have more information, it seems you are right about your 'beak'. All things have a purpose, and yours is to crack through hard shells to get to the center of things, something the heron's beak would be ill-equipped to do.


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just a really quick update for now. will post later with some stuff i need to get down/ask questions about....

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critiques, questions, judgements welcomed at this point. bird is essentially done... environment work ensuing.


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