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PostPosted: Sat Dec 26, 2009 7:35 pm 
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Thank you Montana. I'm not going to try and guess anyone's "type", but I would LOVE for everyone to jump on and get pegged too, it's fun.

This is interesting too, "ENFPs are both "idea"-people and "people"-people, who see everyone and everything as part of an often bizarre cosmic whole", from http://typelogic.com/enfp.html.

Test can be taken here: http://www.humanmetrics.com/cgi-win/JTypes2.asp, thank you ss.
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I redid this test after some time now and it comes out INFJ. The descriptions sound more like how I understand myself than the previous result, but that was not foreign to me either. I still however wonder if a week from now, depending on how I think at that time, I won't test differently as I still think that the test seems likely to hit me differently at different times. I think many of the questions are two contradictory for my understanding and how I think/decide at different times.

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Yes, this is called a "forced choice" questionnaire, they stick in my craw too. They do have utility, even when neither choice is really pertinent it seems.
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INFP
Skilled communicators - I like to think so
Often idealistic - Yes that's me
Harmony in relationships is important - For sure
May not be able to get their own needs met - Sometimes
Excited by new ideas and possibilities - Definitely
Creativity is important; artistic activities - Yes but I lack the confidence
Don't tread on their values- they will bite you - well, ya ok
Under stress: can become outwardly critical of others - hmmm... I try never to be under stress but I imagine this is true.


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I got INTJ. I think it pretty fits me. It shows there also that I look for perfection. I would say I always look for improvement. I used to look for perfection and I detected I was like that when I was younger. I don't pursue perfection but improvement which is kinda like perfection but not quite so.

I think it fits my analytical aspect. This is what I found in:

http://typelogic.com/intj.html

"To outsiders, INTJs may appear to project an aura of "definiteness", of self-confidence. This self-confidence, sometimes mistaken for simple arrogance by the less decisive, is actually of a very specific rather than a general nature; its source lies in the specialized knowledge systems that most INTJs start building at an early age. When it comes to their own areas of expertise -- and INTJs can have several -- they will be able to tell you almost immediately whether or not they can help you, and if so, how. INTJs know what they know, and perhaps still more importantly, they know what they don't know."

"INTJs are known as the "Systems Builders" of the types, perhaps in part because they possess the unusual trait combination of imagination and reliability. Whatever system an INTJ happens to be working on is for them the equivalent of a moral cause to an INFJ; both perfectionism and disregard for authority may come into play, as INTJs can be unsparing of both themselves and the others on the project."

"Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense. :-)"

Also from Wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/INTJ

"INTJs are analytical. Like INTPs, they are most comfortable working alone and tend to be less sociable than other types. Nevertheless, INTJs are prepared to lead if no one else seems up to the task, or if they see a major weakness in the current leadership. They tend to be pragmatic, logical, and creative. They have a low tolerance for spin or rampant emotionalism. They are not generally susceptible to catchphrases and do not recognize authority based on tradition, rank, or title."

Wow, do all these fit me? You guess. From now on, don't blame it on me. Blame it on Myers-Briggs and Carl G. Jung.

I see I am of a different type from Ted and Lynda. Is there any other INTJ here? Oh I see, I am like Roland (apparently gone) and RBM. Well, hope at least RBM might undertand me a little better than others.

I also read INTP and I think I have some of those characteristics too. It looks that INT's have the T for Thinking which is kind of analytical type. So INTPs may understand me better as well. P:Perception, J: Judgement.

Bette, we only have the "N" (intuition) in common. Expected.

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I took the test twice (last night and this morning) and both times it showed I'm an INFJ. Seems to fit.

Deep concern for people and relationships
Live for insight and imagination
Love of learning
Deeply concerned with fellowship and harmony; caring and compassionate
Concerned with the growth of others
Idealists at heart; value trust in relationships
Can be seen as stubborn about their own correctness
Under stress: may be surprisingly critical, can become self-absorbed


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Well Claudio since you start by trying to improve the description, I'd say it fits.

Claudio: Wow, do all these fit me? You guess. From now on, don't blame it on me. Blame it on Myers-Briggs and Carl G. Jung.

Bette: That was my reaction too when reading about me, and not finishing what I start.

The thing is that we supplied the data, what was it 40 yes/no answers, and it was analyzed by the computer to pop out this amazingly accurate description, I'll post mine below this one, it is uncanny. It sort of pisses me off that this little bit of data can peg someone, I'll have to look into why this is so, why it irritates me so. Oh wait, I resist being controlled or labeled, that's probably it.

Only N in common, as far as this measure perhaps, but I think we have more in common that will emerge someday. That's just my intuition though.
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You might enjoy this Claudio, http://personalitypage.com/INTJ.html.

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As an ENFP, your primary mode of living is focused externally, where you take things in primarily via your intuition. Your secondary mode is internal, where you deal with things according to how you feel about them, or how they fit in with your personal value system.

ENFPs are warm, enthusiastic people, typically very bright and full of potential. They live in the world of possibilities, and can become very passionate and excited about things. Their enthusiasm lends them the ability to inspire and motivate others, more so than we see in other types. They can talk their way in or out of anything. They love life, seeing it as a special gift, and strive to make the most out of it.

ENFPs have an unusually broad range of skills and talents. They are good at most things which interest them. Project-oriented, they may go through several different careers during their lifetime. To onlookers, the ENFP may seem directionless and without purpose, but ENFPs are actually quite consistent, in that they have a strong sense of values which they live with throughout their lives. Everything that they do must be in line with their values. An ENFP needs to feel that they are living their lives as their true Self, walking in step with what they believe is right. They see meaning in everything, and are on a continuous quest to adapt their lives and values to achieve inner peace. They're constantly aware and somewhat fearful of losing touch with themselves. Since emotional excitement is usually an important part of the ENFP's life, and because they are focused on keeping "centered", the ENFP is usually an intense individual, with highly evolved values.

An ENFP needs to focus on following through with their projects. This can be a problem area for some of these individuals. Unlike other Extraverted types, ENFPs need time alone to center themselves, and make sure they are moving in a direction which is in sync with their values. ENFPs who remain centered will usually be quite successful at their endeavors. Others may fall into the habit of dropping a project when they become excited about a new possibility, and thus they never achieve the great accomplishments which they are capable of achieving.

Most ENFPs have great people skills. They are genuinely warm and interested in people, and place great importance on their inter-personal relationships. ENFPs almost always have a strong need to be liked. Sometimes, especially at a younger age, an ENFP will tend to be "gushy" and insincere, and generally "overdo" in an effort to win acceptance. However, once an ENFP has learned to balance their need to be true to themselves with their need for acceptance, they excel at bringing out the best in others, and are typically well-liked. They have an exceptional ability to intuitively understand a person after a very short period of time, and use their intuition and flexibility to relate to others on their own level.

Because ENFPs live in the world of exciting possibilities, the details of everyday life are seen as trivial drudgery. They place no importance on detailed, maintenance-type tasks, and will frequently remain oblivous to these types of concerns. When they do have to perform these tasks, they do not enjoy themselves. This is a challenging area of life for most ENFPs, and can be frustrating for ENFP's family members.

An ENFP who has "gone wrong" may be quite manipulative - and very good it. The gift of gab which they are blessed with makes it naturally easy for them to get what they want. Most ENFPs will not abuse their abilities, because that would not jive with their value systems.

ENFPs sometimes make serious errors in judgment. They have an amazing ability to intuitively perceive the truth about a person or situation, but when they apply judgment to their perception, they may jump to the wrong conclusions.

ENFPs who have not learned to follow through may have a difficult time remaining happy in marital relationships. Always seeing the possibilities of what could be, they may become bored with what actually is. The strong sense of values will keep many ENFPs dedicated to their relationships. However, ENFPs like a little excitement in their lives, and are best matched with individuals who are comfortable with change and new experiences.

Having an ENFP parent can be a fun-filled experience, but may be stressful at times for children with strong Sensing or Judging tendancies. Such children may see the ENFP parent as inconsistent and difficult to understand, as the children are pulled along in the whirlwind life of the ENFP. Sometimes the ENFP will want to be their child's best friend, and at other times they will play the parental authoritarian. But ENFPs are always consistent in their value systems, which they will impress on their children above all else, along with a basic joy of living.

ENFPs are basically happy people. They may become unhappy when they are confined to strict schedules or mundane tasks. Consequently, ENFPs work best in situations where they have a lot of flexibility, and where they can work with people and ideas. Many go into business for themselves. They have the ability to be quite productive with little supervision, as long as they are excited about what they're doing.

Because they are so alert and sensitive, constantly scanning their environments, ENFPs often suffer from muscle tension. They have a strong need to be independent, and resist being controlled or labelled. They need to maintain control over themselves, but they do not believe in controlling others. Their dislike of dependence and suppression extends to others as well as to themselves.

ENFPs are charming, ingenuous, risk-taking, sensitive, people-oriented individuals with capabilities ranging across a broad spectrum. They have many gifts which they will use to fulfill themselves and those near them, if they are able to remain centered and master the ability of following through.

Jungian functional preference ordering for ENFP:

Dominant: Extraverted Intuition
Auxiliary: Introverted Feeling
Tertiary: Extraverted Thinking
Inferior: Introverted Sensing

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Bette, that is so you, and that is so me. These things work at perfection.

"ENFPs sometimes make serious errors in judgment. They have an amazing ability to intuitively perceive the truth about a person or situation, but when they apply judgment to their perception, they may jump to the wrong conclusions."

This was observed, because I am totally the opposite. If I don't know too much about something I don't open my mouth, but if I say something it usually is because I am very sure about it.

"When it comes to their own areas of expertise -- and INTJs can have several -- they will be able to tell you almost immediately whether or not they can help you, and if so, how. INTJs know what they know, and perhaps still more importantly, they know what they don't know."

"Perhaps the most fundamental problem, however, is that INTJs really want people to make sense. :-)"

You see why I make efforts for you to make sense and when I feel you don't make efforts I feel like "well, forget it, I am not going anywhere with this person". I think I have a similar problem with Ted. He has an "F" like you (feeling). I have a "T", thinking, analysis so when I see these "F" s don't make an effort to be analytical and make sense, I try to make them make sense, because I have it clear like water, and when they get personal with me (typical of ENFP) I think, I am going nowhere.

"INTJs are analytical. Like INTPs, they are most comfortable working alone and tend to be less sociable than other types. Nevertheless, INTJs are prepared to lead if no one else seems up to the task, or if they see a major weakness in the current leadership. They tend to be pragmatic, logical, and creative. They have a low tolerance for spin or rampant emotionalism. They are not generally susceptible to catchphrases and do not recognize authority based on tradition, rank, or title."

The above also explains why I deal with Ted. I recognize his authority, but when I see him "failing" in certain functions, I try to "fix" that and I "intervene". If I wouldn't see the need to "intervene" I wouldn't intervene as much. You see it is not because I want power but it is because sometimes I see the power failing, so then I want to fix it. I am a fixer and also a "system builder" like it says in my previous post. I can share with others in the "builiding" and that is the area where I am great with Ted, because if he builds, I build and we build together, that is when I see the best relationship between us. When I see him ignoring me or others in the "building" I see something "not quite right" I see "something wrong with the system" so I try to correct it (I am a fixer).

I hope you guys understand the mechanics as I do. This is great.

With Tom and SS I don't argue too much because they are INT's like me, so I see them being analytical and I feel like we "build" together, I feel them kinda like me. That's why I don't have too many problems with "OM" or SS. I know SS is INTP, and I am pretty sure OM is INT, may be INTJ or INTP, I don't know.

"They are genuinely warm and interested in people, and place great importance on their inter-personal relationships. ENFPs almost always have a strong need to be liked. Sometimes, especially at a younger age, an ENFP will tend to be "gushy" and insincere, and generally "overdo" in an effort to win acceptance."

Bette, I knew this. You like to be liked. I noticed that. Once you thought I was also like that. You said that I had a need to be liked or accepted, and I thought why did she say that. As you see, I don't need that so much, I am self confident. I see you can have big disappointments in relationships once your couple stops paying too much attention to you. You may also get attracted to INTs because they may ignore you or don't be so "personal" towards you and that may drive you crazy but at the same time you may like it.

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It takes all types to raise a village. ;]
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I agree Bette, but it also takes a few types to burn it. Now, when I get the chance I may look to see if there is some web page for each type on how to deal with other types. Now, from my first post here you know why sometimes I sound or probably am arrogant (I hope it is more the "sound" :). I am not so bad, my mom loves me. My daughter 2 :)

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Try this Clau, I think the best way is to understand the other, so you wanting to know about other is really cool. I'll look too. http://personalitypage.com/relationships.html

While this link is probably more romantic relationship based, it all is a relationship so this should be the info you want.
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Oh I love you too so add me to your list, the one of people that love you.

This is short and sweet, Montana's resource, http://www.massmatch.com/MBTI-2.php

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A very interesting thread, the earlier part (which I'd missed), as well as this later part.
I don't normally like these 'typing' tests, with either-or answers, for the same reasons that Ted gave earlier, namely that, I feel some of my answers are so on a knife edge between the two options, that it's almost a guess which to choose. However, I took the test, and came out INTP, with this analysis:

# very expressed introvert
# moderately expressed intuitive personality
# moderately expressed thinking personality
# slightly expressed perceiving personality

It's probably not far off. Many answers I could give quickly and unequivocally, and these obviously give the 'core' type data. Some I know I would have given different answers for a few years back, and these are the areas where I know I have changed radically in my outlook over the last 10 years. Where I was hesitant is where I'm obviously still in process of changing.

Well, I suppose I'm in good company! (but no disrespect to you other types..;) )

A bit of fun, as you say, Bette! Thanks to all for posting the links etc.

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Arthur wrote:
Many answers I could give quickly and unequivocally, and these obviously give the 'core' type data.


I have seen it explained as 'preferences' - as a comparison to your 'core'.


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Anyone wanting to that hasn't taken this personality test, let it be known I am making a list. ;]
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