On page 91 of book 2, you say that the CEO of NPMR(n) "can instantly terminate any being with NPMR(n) for not playing by the rules". Another impression I got from Book 1 was that our consciousness might survive physical death, but it could be wipes out if AUM decides to clear up some memory for different simulations.

For my working understanding, are you saying that we are able to be terminated in at least 2 different ways? If so, then I assume there are more ways a consciousness can be terminated. If this is so, then doesn't this just delay death from being at the time of physical death (which materialists think happens) to some finite time after physical death?

JoshM,

No, don't worry; individuated units of consciousness are designed to be as immortal as AUM. Termination is most rare -- infinitesimally infinitesimal -- so rare that it can be neglected as inconsequential by the struggling masses such as you and me. Also any being terminated could just as easily be revived and reconstituted within another reality frame -- like pulling a file out of the Trash bin and putting it back on your desktop. Even if erasure follows deletion, the being's unique pattern (san's free will) is still captured in the record. History is not changed -- one cannot be deleted from history (memory) if one has interacted with other beings — the record is complete. That pattern could be reconstituted into a viable (free will) being again -- as it was, or modified slightly -- or not. Think digital.

In another related vein, being terminated from a reality frame may sometimes be more like banishment.

From the end where I have observed terminations and been evolved enough to know what was going on, it is not always easy to tell any more than that the being is permanently gone -- their bits scattered to the wind, so to speak. However, one should not assume anything — hard to tell what might happen later — especially within a digital system.

Like any good scientist, I report only what I personally observe — and you are stuck with my interpretation unless you go make the observation yourself, but then you are stuck with your interpretation. However, one must always assume that there is still much that one has not observed and does not know — only arrogance could conclude otherwise.

Tom C

I found this to be an interesting point, and much contra to all that I'd learned to date from other sources. It struck me much like the despicable fundamentalism I was brought up under; and from which I freed myself, many years ago, by digging into its sources of origin.

I don't particularly like entertaining the idea that a new kind of Jehovah is lording over existence, in any way, shape, or form.

Roland,

I understand your feelings. There are no masters in NPMR in the normal sense of that word. However, there are rules — there is law. Rules placed on a reality frame define the nature, the purpose, of that frame. There are frames I have visited that have almost no rules -- you would not want to exist there. The rules, like experimental protocols, are few and very fundamental; they do not get into details, and do not express anyone's ego. The rules are so non-intrusive and natural that for practical purposes they are invisible -- somewhat like a rule that requires you to breathe as long as you wish to stay alive. They are not generated or enforced by a hierarchy of policemen or clergy, only by the head guy himself. They consist only of rules of limitation, none of compulsion (the rules express what you cannot do, never what you must do). There are no particular advantages to obeying the rules, only disadvantage in not obeying them.

Order requires rules. Specific design and purposes requires rules. Optimizing consciousness quality and system and personal entropy reduction requires an environment with rules.

Tom C

I expressed a deep, personal feeling gained from my own experiences--here. Nothing more. Presently, I am cognizant that it is likely I will experience a greater realisation after leaving PMR; a re-awakening to the greater purpose of this life-time.

But as you have said, or as far as I understand, none of the dimensions within any system are more than VRs. If I understand, each system is an experiment, ongoing. Each dimension within each system is yet another VR. Right?

So, in the end of Robert Monroe's 3rd book, when he discusses his contacts with his higher self (for lack of a better term), he relates that he had one more life-time in this PMR planned; and then his higher self was going to move onto another reality. Within your constructs, where was Monroe referring to, another system, another dimension within Our System?

Also, if memory serves, his higher self told him that it, or they, had high expectations for him, and that he was seen as a likely personality for accomplishing specific goals, so that they could move onto the next reality. In what way was he being counted on? Was it his awakening? Was his extensive OBE learning experiences a part of the accomplishments they were counting on?

And, have you been in contact with Monroe since he left this PMR?

Roland: Each dimension within each system is yet another VR. Right?

Tom: That is correct. Consciousness is the only fundamental reality. Various constrained subsets of consciousness interaction are virtual -- being defined by the nature of their constraints (rules).

Roland: … [Monroe] relates that he had one more life-time in this PMR planned; and then his higher self was going to move onto another reality. Within your constructs, where was Monroe referring to, another system, another dimension within Our System?

Tom: Within my constructs, I suspect that Bob was referring to another virtual reality with NPMRN but not one of the PMRk. You can call that another reality frame (dimension) within our system.

Roland: … his higher self told him that it, or they, had high expectations for him, and that he was seen as a likely personality for accomplishing specific goals, so that they could move onto the next reality. In what way was he being counted on? Was it his awakening? Was his extensive OBE learning experiences a part of the accomplishments they were counting on?

In my opinion, he was being counted on to grow, to pull himself up by his bootstraps enough to be able to successfully handle his next challenge. I would think that his extensive OBE learning experiences was not a part of the accomplishments they were counting on. That was not so much a learned skill as a reflection of his fundamental understanding of reality at a level much deeper than the intellect — an understanding he came in with.
Often one’s hears that sort of encouragement — just as often plans change. Don't take those sorts of comments too seriously. They are meant for the information they convey and the effect they have on just one individual.

I have been in touch a few times, but not often. Once out of PMR, ones interests and focus change greatly.

Tom C

Tom, at the end of your last asnswer, you mentioned that "Once out of PMR, ones interests and focus change greatly." What does this mean as far as relatives? Do you think one's parents ever "think" about the children they left behind, or ever check in on them, or try to intervene, as much as they can within the rules, to help them out?

Thanks in advance for your reply....Chris

acg1962,

I suppose they could theoretically, and no doubt in some cases do, but in actual practice, what you describe would be a very rare situation. When one leaves PMR, its not like one just stays the same but goes to live in a different place -- a metamorphosis occurs -- your focus changes dramatically -- like the caterpillar and butterfly. You automatically and naturally let go and go on.

Guessing what it is like to be resident in NPMR simply by extrapolating your PMR psychological and biological imperatives to NPMR will give you false answers. Changing your primary reality frame does not generally support putting much energy into continuing the patterns of the old frame. Breaks are usually pretty clean relative to the full court press cross-border manipulations you describe.

Occasional cameo appearances by request are common enough if there is a reasonably strong connection or reason for them to occur, particularly soon after death. However, the majority of "contacts" are actually interactions with a fully interactive representation (model) of that entity more or less as it was (memory intact) in PMR -- a very accurate representation like those found in the data bases that record past possibilities and future probabilities. A model that is largely identical to the real historical thing in every way, except it lacks free will.

The point of "the system" offering up such communications is the affect that it has, the learning opportunity it offers, the comfort it gives to those still in PMR and to those who have just left PMR -- easing transitions on both ends is part of the larger culture. Remember, I am just talking about what falls under the fat part of the probability curve (what is most common) -- exceptions abound but are comparatively rare.

I am sorry if I popped a comforting bubble, and I will no doubt get a lot of blowback, questions, and consternation from my description, but there it is -- I have watched it and been a part of it many times -- the actuality just doesn't fit PMR belief patterns and perspectives (common wisdom) very well.

It is natural enough to extrapolate what we do know to help try define what we do not know. Without firsthand experience, there is not much else we can do. Unfortunately, when it comes to understanding our focus within a different reality system, extrapolation falls far and wide from actuality.

Tom C

I'm glad my son has moved on and is not aware of the hole he left behind. We're all trying our best to move on too. I don't want a comfortable bubble. I just want the truth and somehow I'll find peace in it. Will my son, at least, remember me and love me?

Lonnie,

Sorry to hear that you have lost a son. I am sure your son loved you very much, and if you want to contact his memory (from within the historical database) you will find everything you remember and more there to interact with — i.e. all that he was while he was in this PMR with you. However -- that's the historical son. After transitioning out of this reality frame, a being goes on to other things and it’s a whole new ballgame for them. The time (experience and choices) he spent with you will always be a part of what makes him him.

Some perspective: What do you feel toward the sons and daughters, wives and families, fathers and mothers, brothers and sisters that you left behind as you exited previous experience packets (lifetimes). An honest answer would probably be "nothing". We would be overwhelmed -- all wound up in hundreds if not thousands of emotional tangles if we could not let go of the past after each experience packet. To be useful and effective as a evolutionary tool, each new start must begin with a clean slate at the personal awareness level while accumulating experience and lessons learned at the "oversoul" level.

Tom C

Robert Monroe wrote in Ultimate Journey that he saw his I-There connected to other I-Theres and other I-There clusters through links that represented his connections to those in the present existence and all of his past existences. Does bonding in physical life such as with children, spouses, parents, friends, etc. create such links to other oversouls that persist? Basically, it would seem that the connection is maintained but not at the individual personality level but with the larger perspective of the oversoul.
Also, while we may not consciously remember the link to past live relationships is there any relation to the idea of reincarnating together with entities that we have bonded with in the past? For instance, you often here the theory that people who we are bonded strongly with now are the reincarnations of people with whom we were strongly bonded in the past but not necessarily in the same configuration. Example: A parent might be the child or spouse of their former child. What do you think?

Ramon

Tom:
We would be overwhelmed -- all wound up in hundreds if not thousands of emotional tangles if we could not let go of the past after each experience packet. To be useful and effective as a evolutionary tool, each new start must begin with a clean slate at the personal awareness level while accumulating experience and lessons learned at the "oversoul" level.
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What's going on with people who bring, into the current lifetime, wounds from a previous lifetime, e.g., scars, disease or psychological trauma? Dr. Brian Weiss has documented this phenomenon extensively.

Ramon,

A definite "yes" to both paragraphs -- your understanding is a good one.

Tom C

Roland,

It is either something they are preoccupied or obsessed with (i.e., can't let go of) or something that they are not yet done with (i.e., something they purposely wish to continue experiencing because of the opportunity it delivers for personal growth (perhaps as a reminder or flag to goad exploration or enable a second chance to make peace with it).

Rare circumstances -- but out of billions of individual personalities and personal experience packets, some must fall to the 10-sigma side of the probability curve and beyond

Tom C

Tom: “if you want to contact his memory (from within the historical database) you will find everything you remember and more there to interact with — i.e. all that he was while he was in this PMR with you.“

Lonnie: I understand that PMR and NPMR are virtual realities. Does “interact“ mean we can carry on a conversation and do just about anything you would be able to do in a VR? If I can access NPMR, is my ability to interact with him easier? Accessing NPMR is not a priority for me right now but once I improve the quality of my consciousness it may be something I’ll consider.

Tom: “all that he was while he was in this PMR with you“

Lonnie: He did have free will while in PMR and his historical database is absent of it? Do people in NPMR have free will? Are our experiences with him after passing on interacting with his historical database? It seems so real. (so does PMR)

Tom: “We would be overwhelmed -- all wound up in hundreds if not thousands of emotional tangles if we could not let go of the past after each experience packet. To be useful and effective as a evolutionary tool, each new start must begin with a clean slate at the personal awareness level while accumulating experience and lessons learned at the "oversoul" level..“

Lonnie: I don't understand this. I mean I know what you’re saying but I’m thinking that AUM can handle quite a bit and like parent, like child. I would think we could sort through the essential and the non essential emotional tangles. Well, I guess they are all non essential after you’ve learned from them and let them go.

Sidenote: I want to thank you. My world has been turned upside down, first with my diagnosis of stage 4 breast can insert with poor prognosis. (Can insert helps me remember I don't have to think of it like others do.) My son was my greatest supporter. Anyway, my mind was scattered in the wind. I was so confused! I have listened to you on the internet radio and am reading your first book, and I keep hearing focus on improving my consciousness. This focus has brought my scattered mind back together. This is absolutely wonderful! Now I go through the day being observant (aware) of old conditioned patterns, stereotyping, biases etc. I also meditate and notice my intentions. Thank you for this.

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