Bette: is it still wrong for me to stand up for that population just in order to help others be aware of what falls out of their mouths?
My answer will be in the case that you act (stand up) based on ego: (I will not answer about an ego-less action because I'm not sure I even know this)
As you know I entered this thread in reader mode to simply read and learn. At some point I decided to engage and write specifically to Claudio because I thought that what he was doing was wrong (I stood up). As you saw/read I had positive intentions. I tried to let him see the "reality" the best way I could and in the most respectful way possible. I wanted to help him see that he was being an arrogant/delusional/aggressive person towards you.
My "reality" turned up to be incorrect because as I realized later, it had been filtered by my ego. I was defending you in this thread where there was nothing to defend you from. It was an illusion I believed because it is simply more convenient for me to conclude to it, it makes me feel better to accept that things are in such way because it manages to avoid discomforts I don't want to see. It is better for me if things are like the "reality" I thought I saw, than the way it really is. I obviously do not like being wrong, I do not like to find out I am arrogant, selfish, ego-driven and delusional, but I ended being everything I was trying to let Claudio know about himself. The "reality" I was trying so hard for Claudio to see was not his truth but mine. Because of the presence of my ego, not only was I not able to help you (Bette
) like I wanted, there was in reality nothing to help you from since that threat and those attacks were simply a fantasy I had created.
If I (stand up) triggered by my ego then the question changes to, how can my self made illusion/delusion/fantasy/mirage/myth/false belief possibly help anyone else?... I know now that what I had perceived as an injustice towards you was not even occurring in the first place. If I hadn't been hit by a little glimpse of "enlightenment" or in other words been prepared/ready to see the truth as it really was (not a very pretty view about myself, since I am the one that can be arrogant/delusional/aggressive) I would still be arguing and I would still be projecting the way I am or have been onto him (Claudio) in order to explain what was being witnessed here by me. I obviously thought of his actions as an injustice because I assumed that he was like me(big assumption). If I hadn't realize this truth, I would be referring people to this thread and using Claudio as proof of ultimate denial. I would still be mounted on my horse in disbelief and upset to see how with all of my explaining he would still not get it. In retrospect I was lucky that Claudio was not acting on ego and reacting to my accusations, else things would have gotten nowhere, or worse splattered everywhere.
I would have stood up against aggression (misconceived) to defend you but ultimately would have gotten no results because there were non to get. After a while I would have had no other choice but to resign arguing with him (Claudio) and settled by giving you simply the perceived comfort of company... weee!... I defended Bette
!... weee!... I defended the dishwashers!
Non the less, If you/me act on ego I believe still some positive outcome can arise. You never know how the other person is going to perceive your actions and there is no way you can calculate this in advance. I think the price you/me pay by acting with ego is that the positive outcome becomes coincidental and out of your control and not intentional or as intended like you/me originally wanted and perhaps they way it can be achieved only with the absence of ego. If you act with ego like I have, you run the risk of finding yourself fighting in a battle that doesn't exist against an enemy that is not even fighting, the case with Claudio. If the other person does react based on ego then obviously Egos will clash, pieces will fly everywhere, it wont be a pretty site and things will get complicated. At the end any positiveness/truth will only be perceived by those who are looking for it and not too ego hurt and blinded so that this can't be allowed.
I think at the end, the answer to you question boils down to what has been said in this forum over and over... your intent. Do the best you can, do the best you know and things will come out ultimately for the best. I would say that the key part in (standing up) is to try to remember that you can always be wrong and allowing everything said to you in return the possibility of being correct... OMS.