Bette, I don't read the news or watch TV - What's going on in California?

Edit: Dang! I meant to send that as a PM but I guess it's ok as a reply.

Edit #2: May as well correct the lie in my reply. In fact I didwatch TV, just last night, there was a Stephen Hawking thing on the Science Channel called the Story of Everything. I watched about twenty minutes of it after seeing something posted on Andrew Basiago's Facebook page about that and the Morgan Freeman Wormhole show.

There's a whole lot of shaking going on, but that really isn't new. I'm just saying though. ;)
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It begins now with the crops:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXlC7gvv ... _embedded#!


and here is this business on the cover up :
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pnAqfxMr ... re=related


-Montana

That basically means it is dangerous to your health to eat, breath, or live in the Gulf Coast. Once this stuff gets into the Gulf Stream (dang it, too many tabs open, can't look it up, the ocean currents steam is what I mean) that may apply to the world.
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Here we go, HAARP concerns.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UjzkauSq ... feature=iv
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Remember when you thought you saw lava Montana? Have you heard the idea they drilled into an under ocean volcano? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pZCvMQhbH-8
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Hi Bette,

That was totally an illusion what I thought saw there that day. My ego was like "Quick! GO back and change it!!!" but I figure it's a good thing to leave it there, if for no other reason than to set an example that it is okay to be wrong and not get bothered by it.

The underwater volcano refers (I think!) to the idea that there is a very large dome of oil/methane down there, under a lot of pressure.

I think it's reasonable to assume that no one is going to be able to contain the blow out. I think it is also reasonable to assume that either the well casing has been degraded or shall be presently. The chemistry and heat of the oil mix will eventually dissolve it over time even if nothing else did. Once the hole is free, the violent gushing of the oil/methane mix will gradually widen the hole, probably something that is already happening. Eventually the pressure shall have equalized. There is an estimate billion barrels of oil down there, and apparently, a whole lot of methane too.

If it all gets released steadily, as it is now, it will be just a major disaster, with the gulf dead for decades, and maybe much of the atlantic rendered unharvestable, and maybe some degradation of European coastlines as well. The coastal property all along the gulf will become worthless, and it is hard to estimate how far inland the effects will be felt. There are already lots of reports of people getting sick consistent with H2S/Methane/Benzene exposure, oily rains, and so on. It's hard to know if these are valid though... people work themselves into a state and can manifest all sorts of problems that way. Sort of like the placebo effect except in the opposite direction. Nevertheless, I suspect that a good deal of the suspected illness and other effects IS a direct result of the oil spill, and, it being the case that it is not going to stop, there will be more oil and more chemistry (corexit and so on), and so we can expect things to not improve but get worse. A massive evacuation could occur.

We can also expect tropical systems, which nearly always blow through the gulf in the summer and fall, to complicate things, and not too long from now either.

If the opening suddenly degrades substantially though, so that a whole bunch gets released at once, then we may be seeing something like what Richard Hoagland talked about.

The only way I can even imagine this not going in one of those directions is if things get stirred up enough down below to where some chunks of Gick and rock break loose and jam the hole and allow a clot to form, but with all that pressure, it is hard to imagine.

-Montana

How hot is the stuff coming out, what is it's chemical make-up? How cold is the ocean suppose to be at that depth? Does anyone know offhand?
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Sad video of some effects. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UeodwyfN ... ure=autofb
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When I see videos like this fly-over, I wonder why the Gulf of Mexico is not even mentioned in the mainstream news (not for the last 3 days). Normally this kind of disaster would be sensationalized, wouldn't it? Does it have to be made into a Hollywood blockbuster before people take note? (Not for the fainthearted.)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pxDf-KkM ... r_embedded

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Not sure Bette,

Temp: I recall seeing one refernce to "hundreds of degrees" but then again, I am not sure how consistent that could be with methyl hydrate crystal formation, something that everyone seems to agree has occurred. I have also seen references that suggested that it was 34 degrees F, but that seems puzzling too... I don't think that arctic waters flow there, and I've read that water is heaviest (densest) at 40 degrees, colder water and ice floating on above it.

Chemistry: All sorts of petrol related chemistry I suppose, but notably benzene and methane. Also lots of Hydrogen Sulfide, which is itself corrosive to metals (more so with pressure, temperature, and motion) and which is not too hard to convert to sulfurous acids, which are even more corrosive. The Corexit being sprayed is considered to be several times more toxic than the oil gunk itself, and the two together are reported to have a synergistic effect that greatly enhances toxicity. I heard one fellow, somewhere on the radio I believe, say that they went out on a boat, that there was oil everywhere, that the smell was very strong, and that when he got back, the fumes had washed the color out of the exposed portions of a shirt that he was wearing, while the parts that were in folds or covered held some of their color still. (Just going by memory a few days back, may not have the facts perfect, but they were reasonably close to the above). He sounded credible.

Something to watch for will be blogs from La. and Tx. over the next few days as the tropical system in the western Gulf blows a whole lot of air and water their way.

<Soapbox/> (Mainstream media appears to be largely blacked out on this event, as suggested by all the blogs and youtube material from Louisanna through Florida and even up the east coast. Anyone who still thinks that our big media are free and unbiased or unrestrained, research this, and adjust your thinking accordingly. It is an issue that is maybe even as serious as the gulf problem itself, in as much as a society that can no longer dialog with itself is in a condition that is as critical as a body whose organs can no longer hear or interpret each other's signals.) </Soapbox>

With luck maybe the wind will spread things out enough to dilute them so that they don't cause too much damage.


-Montana

I heard on local news, LA, CA, NBC, that they were going to spray more disbursements that break the oil into smaller molecules that IS THE REASON it is being picked up and raining onto crops. The news said it was so that the oil would "evaporate", I guess so. I guess I'll feel we are lucky if the thing just spews until August without blowing out as that would be just too much.

I also saw one major news network show a large orange patch, and some of the many fires burning. Evaporate, oil doesn't evaporate, right? What are they putting on it. Stupid humans!
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Welllll, it depends ...

'Oil' at the chemical level is not discrete, and thus includes compounds that do evaporate. As I understand it, the perspective is 'short chain hydrocarbons versus long chain hydrocarbons' - the short chain's are the ones that will evaporate.

Think about common gasoline, which is refined from oil. It will evaporated if not kept in a container.

Well this stuff is "raw" so I think it was misinformation for the newscaster to put that idea in the publics mind unless they actually put 2 and 2 together to realize this chemical they are using is making something evaporate that we shouldn't be putting into the clouds to rain elsewhere. We are smearing the oil gusher disaster around rather than cleaning it up.
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