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" 2004 observational study from the University of Innsbruck, Austria, on 150,000 subjects showed that low cholesterol levels predict premature death in men of all ages, and in women over the age of 50.

In the 1990 Quebec Cardiovascular Study on 4576 men aged 35-64 years to start, serum total cholesterol levels were not associated with either cardiovascular disease or all-cause mortality.

Even in dialysis patients, all-cause mortality was highest at the lowest total cholesterol levels, being 30% lower when total cholesterol was approximately 240 mg/dL compared with TC <160. Also, mortality was 17% lower at low-density-lipoprotein (LDL-C) approximately 190 mg/dL compared with LDL-C <130 in a 2004 study. "

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Mike's perceptive wife, Sharon, was not so sure, especially when after his first attack he proceeded to have disabling gout attacks every time he exerted himself more than nominally. Although physically depleted since his rhabdomyolysis, Mike had formerly been your classical type A, physically active person. Sharon suspected Mike's gout attacks were triggered by his prior Lipitor myopathy/neuromuscular damage. Predictably, she found little support from the local area medical specialists.

She then discovered in a record review of the Baycol / rhabdomyolysis cases that gout attacks were listed in an astonishing number of those seriously ill patients, some of whom died while others were to survive. Understandably, gout attacks must have been of relatively minor concern to those physicians responsible for treating the massive muscle breakdown, sky-high muscle enzyme patterns and progressive kidney failure of life threatening rhabdomyolysis, nonetheless the gout attacks were documented."

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Is this related to your husband Lena?
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My wife was working for a doctor for a while. What she noticed was a pattern of men on cholesterol medicines that appeared fairly healthy before taking the medicine, but their condition seemed to progressively deteriorate while on the medicine.
I have long suspected that the whole cholesterol scare was nothing more than a Pharmaceutical company scam, hyped up to sell chemicals. And while I am not a doctor, and I would never tell anyone else to stop their medication, I would never take cholesterol pills as long as I know I could change my cholesterol levels just by modification of my diet

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patrick

Something that a doctor will never tell you is that all it takes to lower cholesterol levels is high fiber in your diet. Your gall bladder makes gall out of cholesterol. Then it is injected into your digestive tract during and as part of the digestive process. Fiber going through your digestive tract binds to the gall. Bye bye excess cholesterol. There are some complications in keeping up the LDL which is low density lipoproteins associated with 'good' cholesterol versus the HDL which is the bad cholesterol version. But the main thing is fiber which does other good things for you as well.

Ted

Absolutely right, Ted. And just about the best fibre for this is oat bran, with its 'soluble' and insoluble fibre. I start every day with a good, old-fashioned bowl of coarse-milled porridge oats, made with semi-skimmed milk and just a small dollop of honey. I can sometimes go most of the day without feeling hungry for anything else before evening meal.

Arthur

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I eat oat meal 3 days a week, occasionally 4. But to the coarsest type available I add a tablespoon of oat bran cereal, a tablespoon of ground flax seed for Omega 3 fatty acids, a heaping tablespoon of dried milk powder to 4 tablespoons of the oats. This cooks out well with 1/3 cup of raisins and a cup of water in my microwave. I prefer brown cane sugar to honey as it is both cheaper and with more minerals and flavor.

Alternatively for an alternating more country style breakfast I make grits with 3 tablespoons of grits, 1 tbsp each of the oat bran and ground flax seed, a heaping tablespoon of dried milk powder and 3/4 cup water. On the second microwaving, as it won't cook in one cycle of the set cereal cycle, I add a slice of cheddar cheese which I mix in after it melts. With one egg and some sliced 'luncheon meat' as my local grocery calls canned ground pork cooked like I do bacon in the microwave, I have more than I can eat.

My dog gets about 1/3 cup of what I can't eat of either oatmeal (but no raisins) or cheese grits. Raisins are supposed to be bad for dogs.

The 'luncheon meat' canned pork cooks out a little like bacon but instead of $4 to $5 a pound and cooking out half of its weight or more as fat to be discarded, the luncheon meat cooks out very little fat and costs $1.67/pound can. A can lasts me half a month or more, sliced as thin as I can while slicing it still in the can. It's uneven and some cooks crisp and some cooks like meat for variety of taste.

You can add oat bran cereal in reasonable amounts to most anything without noticing it other than that the result will be 'creamier' than normal. Soup or even gravy. Flax seed is pretty neutral as well with a lot going for it. All this makes a "diet for a small planet" and even more so for hard times to come.

Ted

I suddenly feel very hungry, LOL

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I have been told there is the same chemical in "red rice" as there is in cholesterol drugs. I don't know if that means eating them can cause gout, or if eating them can clear cholesterol though.
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Hi all,
it may be that statins for cholesterol work becuase they have an effect on the vitamin D receptor (VDR) in cells. Vitamin D is not a vitamin but a hormone . By regulating the VDR it reduces inflammation in the body and increases survival The cholesterol lowering effect can be seen as a side effect of the treatment. Of all the statins Simvastatin is probably best at doing this.Also Olmesartan (Benicar , Olmetec ) , a blood pressure drug is better than any statins

Google Dr Trevor Marshall or look at www.bacteriality.com for a beginners guide as Trevor;'s stuff gets quite technical.

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I take a Niacin regimen for Cholesterol. I worked up to it but I take 500mg of regular flush niacin along with 500mg of Slo-Niacin twice a day. I lowered my cholesterol by 75 points in 3 months and boosted my HDL (good cholesterol) by 10 points. You have to be a little careful when you get higher than about 2000mgs a day because it can be hard on your liver just like a statin but not so hard on the rest of your body. It works and it works fast. But get a baseline liver function test before starting and then about 3 months in to see how it is going.

I eat oat bran every morning with my plain yogurt and blueberries and walnuts on top. Quite delicious and it does fill me up for the greater portion of the day. Other than the oat bran I stay away from grains and sugar and it has helped me lose about 30 pounds since late March.

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Oats are great, provided they in the form of whole and relatively unprocessed and also well soaked and well cooked. Oat has high amounts of phytates, which make it harder to digest and interfere with the absorption and assimilation of the minerals and vitamins within the meal.


With diet, if one is interested in healthier diet, the goal is partially easier to digest foods or forms of same, not just nutritious, because a food can be highly nutritious but if it's not easily digested, most of that nutrition will be moot as regards what your body actually absorbs and uses.

Soy and most of it's products are a good example of the former. Fairly nutritious, yet except in cultured/fermented forms, rather hard to digest. Similar, but as not as extreme in both counts, with oats.

Just eat an organic wholefoods diet of raw green stuff and fruit combined with 50 to 75 grams of animal protein a day.
Incorporate a juicing plan and Once you have carefully weined yourselves off the medications you can throw them all away.

There is no need for any medication in the long term if you started out healthy or with no congenital problems,there is also not a massive need for supplimentation in the way we believe we need supplimentation?
Supplimentation is vital for health but not to the point of taking one,two,three of everything on a daily basis?
That is just plain dangerous and an unhelpful toxic burden on the body.

Let's get simple guys because were overcomplicating this thing?

Organic,Raw,Green,50-75 g animal protein .... Job done?

I have found that this method works incredibly well and is best practice for all. Yes, each individual is different but if you eat for your nutritional type,have a look at food combining and how that effects you.
Rotate the foods you eat so that your not eating the same stuff day in day out.
You will not look back!!!

I have found that if I take these simple steps my health and mind are beautiful and I have much more time to devote to other things rather than the fruitless pursuit of knowledge of useless and dangerous,toxic drugs.
Unless your taking these things you don't really need to know about them any more than you need to know to get off them and throw them away.

I should add that a balance of omega 3 and 6 fatty acids need to be added by supplimentation along with vitamin D3.
Also only ever use cold pressed Organic Olive oil and never cook oil ,all other oils are a waste of time and ALL oils are dangerous when cooked at high temperature.

Love,
Wayno

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Hemp oil is high in omega 3.
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Bette

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