Moving right along, many people know that Monsanto, the GM mogul, makes lots of things like pesticides and herbicides too. One of its biggest sellers is a product they call Roundup (r). Here's a story about the main ingredient of that product:

Research: Roundup Diluted by 450-Fold is Still Toxic to DNA
http://www.greenmedinfo.com/blog/resear ... -toxic-dna

New research released ahead of print and published in the journal Archives of Toxicology indicates that Roundup, the most common formulation of the herbicide glyphosate, is not only more toxic than its constituent ingredients, but is capable of damaging DNA within a human cell line when diluted down to 450-fold lower concentrations than presently used in GMO agricultural applications.

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People tend to use this stuff really freely... forever splashing it on their lawns to get rid of leafy greens (how stupid IS that anyways?)
In places like commercial corn fields, the nuke the bejesus out of the plants with this stuff, because the corn is (GM) resistant. That resistance is also spreading to the weeds the product is meant to inhibit the growth of, by the way. Corn, soy, and other commercial produce is often drenched with the product, and personally, I view the grocery produce section as a complex delivery system for pesticides and herbicides.

I ran across a school for you to go to!

http://www.review.net/section/detail/free-market-u/

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That looks interesting Kroeran, Thanks. If such a thing were closer to me I might pursue it. Have you seen on the mises site how they have online courses for fairly cheap, and sometimes free? I thought that was a cool thing. I'm thinking about checking one of those out when I have to time and money sometime. They have them on all kinds of subjects. I'm going to sign up at the local community college soon also, probably for engineering of some kind. There arn't many worthwhile jobs around me, school seems like the best option.

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Poor America - P a n o r a m a [B B C] - Broadcast Date: 13th February 2012
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... uJCvkazrTc

(A half hour video by the BBC)

Some of the 'talk'm up' notes:

With one and a half million (1.5 million) American children now homeless, reporter Hilary Andersson meets the school pupils who go hungry in the richest country on Earth. From those living in the storm drains under Las Vegas to the tent cities now springing up around the United States, P a n o r a m a finds out how the poor are surviving in America and asks whatever happened to the supposed 'government' and the Real People in charge - those who you 'don't see' pulling on the strings; and their vision and welfare for the country.

There is no doubt a lot of problems like this exist Montana, Can you think of any solutions, The only way I see any lasting change happening is for it to get much worse (Collapse), And then rebuild from the bottom up with different values. Can you imagine the hardships in Iraq and Afghanistan. Just so big businesses could roar! Keep an eye on the Iran issue, That's where the most potential is for more deviation and destruction. I know Ted started this thread, That really seems to be going no where as far as what the solutions are. I must admit I am at a loss at this time to offer any. Like I say maybe we have to wait for when the time is right for real and lasting change to start to happen. Not to say we need to stop butting these things in peoples awareness, It just seems like the time for any real (Change) Solution is not here. there's a lot to Carl Jung's synchronicity. Fred searching for truth

The only solution I can even imagine is enough FWAU's grow up that a tipping point is reached.

I don't expect that to occur for a least a couple thousand years if Bob Monroe's escapades are of any value.

All of these issues raised here are related to widespread Ignorance, FEAR and EGO.
Tom says we need to overcome our fear and let go of EGO. and also, he says...
"Contrary to popular belief, ignorance is NOT bliss, Ignorance is just ignorance."


Personally I have always felt That a great deal of FEAR can be attributed to ignorance. (or lack of awareness, knowledge, experience, and understanding).
And a great deal of BELIEF can also be attributed to IGNORANCE. Not having understanding can be extremely uncomfortable, so there is a RUSH, or an almost irresistable urge to fill the gaps in our understanding.
Both FEAR and BELIEF are barriers to understanding. We can see examples of that in RELIGIOUS groups that ignore the possibilities of science, choosing to reject evolution in favor of the "Creationist" view. But we can also see the same fear and belief causing resistance to change in the "Halls of Academia" and mainstream science. After all, it was nearly 100 years ago that quantum theory was developed, yet mainstream science didnt know what to do with it, so for the most part they just ignored it. My feelings are that there was a lot of resistance to the idea that we need to let go of our (beliefs) in an OBJECTIVE reality, and accept a SUBJECTIVE reality. A reality in which, we are not merely observers of the phenomena, but also PARTICIPATE in each phenomenon we observe.

Ignorance leads to FEAR, ignorance leads to BELIEF, and ignorance reinforces the Illusion of separateness.
We already know that EGO, FEAR and the Illusion of separateness are mutually reinforcing. It becomes "US" against "THEM", or "ME" against everyone else, In order for "ME" to win "THEY" must LOSE, if "THEY" win, then "I" must lose. And if "I" lose what will become of "ME" and "MINE"? There is no concept that, by helping others we can all benefit. That by working together for the "COMMON GOOD" we become united in the effort to advance the whole. Within the belief trap, and fear of the illusion of separateness there is no possibility of a "win-win" situation.

So the biggest obstacle to the evolution of mankind today (IMO) is IGNORANCE.

The good news is that ignorance is a treatable condition. Ignorance can be replaced with awareness and understanding, and awareness is spreading.
One of the tricky things (as I see it) is: How do I spread awareness without spreading FEAR?
We teach more with our ACTIONS then with our words (especially when it comes to the young ones).
Everyone wants their children to be better than "we" are. But we can never teach our children to be better than we are, we can only teach our children WHO and WHAT we ARE.

Recently, after a long discussion about the double slit experiment and what it means for understanding the nature of reality, a new friend asked me..."Now that I am aware of these things, how do I let it show in my work?" (he was in advertising). And the best answer that I could think of was, ..."We can't HELP but let it show everywhere we go, in everything we say, and in everything we do,"
Every situation we encounter is changed (or slightly effected) by our mere presence. We are all consciousness (or packets of discreet digital information) and we are bouncing our "data" off of all the other "packets of discreet consciousness" all the time. Verbally and NON-verbally, whether we are awake or sleeping. And whether we know it or not.

Space is an illusion. Time is an illusion. limits are an illusion as is "infinity" an illusion. There is NO separation between "US" and "THEM", we are one.
There is only HERE and NOW (no matter where you go)
And there is only US, Everything and everyone you see is a part of you and you are part of IT

If you read some of the writings of early Quantum studies, you may notice a similarity between them and the early "Mystics".

"The opposite of a fact is falsehood, but the opposite of one profound truth may very well be another profound truth."
~Niels Bohr

For example: you can say that "HOT" and "COLD" are opposites. And you could also say that they are just different ends of the same thing. The same with "North" and "South", just different ends of the same magnetic field. What about "Good" and "Evil"? Just parts of the whole...None of these things would even exist without its "opposite" and we would have no way of understanding one without the other.

“Really, the fundamental, ultimate mystery -- the only thing you need to know to understand the deepest metaphysical secrets -- is this: that for every outside there is an inside and for every inside there is an outside, and although they are different, they go together.”
~ Alan Watts quote


"How wonderful that we have met with a paradox. Now we have some hope of making progress."
~Niels Bohr

Let's continue to improve ourselves so that we can make the world a better place.

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if the economy sucks in the region where you and your parents live, you absolutely must relocate for your career. I am a big fan of Texas, Houston specifically, for its politics and climate.

do your best to look over the horizon to the jobs that will be available in 4 years and 14 years...computers, health, energy, accounting, commercial real estate, certain types of engineering - develop an interest in long term trends, demographics

economics and the social sciences are best kept as a reading hobby or optional courses. Read the Wall Street Journal. Some forms of engineering were slammed by offshoring of manufacturing, so be selective. Government will be a declining sector going forward.

getting as much education as you can, while minimizing expenses by living at home, is a good plan - unless the parents are comfortable enough to foot the bill for going away to college without taking on debt or undermining their retirement.

education + a no-nonsense professional career + real estate is the proven formula for financial independence.

you can begin with real estate even as a student by renting a large white elephant house near the university and renting out rooms....live rent free. Real estate cannot be off-shored, and is too local and detailed to be completely controlled by the corporations, it can be done part-time, which is why it is the most common entrepreneurial pathway out of salary slavery...and now is the best generational opportunity to begin.

You do have to keep an eye on the Schiller index to know when to be unloading real estate at the top of the bubbles that come along every 20 years and not overleverage with debt. Anyone holding debt free real estate through the bubble and crisis did fine.

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So I'm stopped outside a corner store in Florida and my wife runs in to buy some water.

She comes up to the cash about the same moment as an older fellow

he says words to the effect "go ahead, this is my afternoon's entertainment, I like to stretch it out"

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Although I myself get impatient with things, I doubt that the system is in any sort of rush....if things got "done", it would have to erase everything like a Buddhist sand painting, and start over

I suspect filling the (delta(t)) time, is the fundamental of fundamentals, and lowering entropy is the best, highest use of system delta(t), that it has been able to think up

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that being said, whatever is really going on, must be out of reach of our wildest imaginings

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I keep receiving the thought in my metaphorical mind :) that most of the most "evil" of the stuff going on in the world is just plain stupid greed and not historical conspiracies but that all are working together like a perfect storm.
Love
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Consciousness.

That's just how I've speculated it is for quite a few years. It's another reason the lowering entropy concept made so much sense to me.

Greed is certainly a dynamic. Another, more subtle one, is the fractal iteration of it, and sentiments like it (broadly, where in a smaller part favors itself at the expense of some larger part). As it becomes more evolved and complex it morphs into fresh forms of toxicity and ugliness.

Still another huge dynamic is the accelerating rate of change of just about everything, from a human point of view. The rate of change in the human knowledge base is so extreme that, for example, doctors can't even keep up with the new discoveries in their own specialty, let alone other areas. .... it is something like a planet dropping into a black hole: It gets ripped apart by all the various and unevenly applied stresses. So it is with society now: No one really has a good picture of what the hell is going on, the commons, in every sense of the word, is getting more spread out and thinner and thinner, the languages are getting stretched into a grey vagueness through divergent applications, etc etc etc.

Perfuse through the whole business is the visceral sense that it can't go on like this too much longer, and this sensibility makes it difficult to invest in anything much beyond the present: It would take a special case of vision and courage to even think of starting a business during a time in which social and economic collapse is on the horizon. (Note, I am not saying that it can't or shouldn't be done... the creature doing such contemplating would by definition have to be wildly radical ((or willfully blind, or both)) though).

I recently spent a huge amount of resource at $128 a third was shipping which almost made me stop but I went ahead realizing I was buying pounds of malted barley flour and pounds of other things like amaranth flour and other ingredients such as what I think would make sugarless chocolate in order to create the recipes for the retail products I will be renting a kitchen to make and then selling in a new business.
Love
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Occupy a commercial kitchen! Love it

If it is possible, try to develop your product and find your market from your personal kitchen, before signing a lease.

Let sales drive overhead, don't commit to overhead before you find your market

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