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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 12:38 pm 
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Foreign policy won't stop till...

1) We run out of money.

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2) People stop being so fearful.

If the foreign policy continues in the manner it has been our civil liberties will go down the drain at the same time due to TPTB using fear tactics in the same way that they do to convince people going to war all the time is a good idea.

Everyone that doesn't support the wars needs to get creative on showing people the other side of the coin. Complaining about it doesn't help. Nor does going after the people who use the fear tactics; You have to go directly after the fear tactics and render them harmless by understanding.

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PostPosted: Wed Mar 07, 2012 2:19 pm 
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Lumpy wrote:
Foreign policy won't stop till...

1) We run out of money.

or

2) People stop being so fearful.

If the foreign policy continues in the manner it has been our civil liberties will go down the drain at the same time due to TPTB using fear tactics in the same way that they do to convince people going to war all the time is a good idea.

Everyone that doesn't support the wars needs to get creative on showing people the other side of the coin. Complaining about it doesn't help. Nor does going after the people who use the fear tactics; You have to go directly after the fear tactics and render them harmless by understanding.
The most probable way I see any lasting change in my view is for it to get much worse than it is now, I don't think there is enough fear about the right things, When and if people find out about the truth of the real motives of the 1% that is when all hell is going to break loose, Kind of seems like it is already starting with our current protest. Keep an eye on the Iran Israeli issue, all ready the right wingers are beating the war drums, And it does not seem to be in the peoples best interest. I am not complaining I expect them to be doing just what they are doing. I just like to share my views and put them in our awareness, I really don't have any answers, I am just preparing for the stuff to hit the fan. Then maybe we all can find some together. Fred searching for truth


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fast wrote:
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Foreign policy won't stop till...

1) We run out of money.

or

2) People stop being so fearful.

If the foreign policy continues in the manner it has been our civil liberties will go down the drain at the same time due to TPTB using fear tactics in the same way that they do to convince people going to war all the time is a good idea.

Everyone that doesn't support the wars needs to get creative on showing people the other side of the coin. Complaining about it doesn't help. Nor does going after the people who use the fear tactics; You have to go directly after the fear tactics and render them harmless by understanding.
The most probable way I see any lasting change in my view is for it to get much worse than it is now, I don't think there is enough fear about the right things, When and if people find out about the truth of the real motives of the 1% that is when all hell is going to break loose, Kind of seems like it is already starting with our current protest. Keep an eye on the Iran Israeli issue, all ready the right wingers are beating the war drums, And it does not seem to be in the peoples best interest. I am not complaining I expect them to be doing just what they are doing. I just like to share my views and put them in our awareness, I really don't have any answers, I am just preparing for the stuff to hit the fan. Then maybe we all can find some together. Fred searching for truth


That is possible. I think it is possible for it to happen without things getting too much worse at the same time, if people stop playing the "you against me" game. You shouldn't lump all the right wingers together, I am a righty and I am not beating the war drums :D

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Lumpy wrote:
fast wrote:
Lumpy wrote:
Foreign policy won't stop till...

1) We run out of money.

or

2) People stop being so fearful.

If the foreign policy continues in the manner it has been our civil liberties will go down the drain at the same time due to TPTB using fear tactics in the same way that they do to convince people going to war all the time is a good idea.

Everyone that doesn't support the wars needs to get creative on showing people the other side of the coin. Complaining about it doesn't help. Nor does going after the people who use the fear tactics; You have to go directly after the fear tactics and render them harmless by understanding.
The most probable way I see any lasting change in my view is for it to get much worse than it is now, I don't think there is enough fear about the right things, When and if people find out about the truth of the real motives of the 1% that is when all hell is going to break loose, Kind of seems like it is already starting with our current protest. Keep an eye on the Iran Israeli issue, all ready the right wingers are beating the war drums, And it does not seem to be in the peoples best interest. I am not complaining I expect them to be doing just what they are doing. I just like to share my views and put them in our awareness, I really don't have any answers, I am just preparing for the stuff to hit the fan. Then maybe we all can find some together. Fred searching for truth


That is possible. I think it is possible for it to happen without things getting too much worse at the same time, if people stop playing the "you against me" game. You shouldn't lump all the right wingers together, I am a righty and I am not beating the war drums :D

Thanks for the warning Lumpy! Fred searching for truth


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"Police Given Direct Line To Cell Phone Searches"

http://dfw.cbslocal.com/2012/03/06/poli ... -searches/

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I don't know how I found the time, but I just skimmed this entire thread. I think about this often and about how silly humans seem to be in general.

Personally I think the answer lies with education and people shifting away from fear to actually start caring about each other. I have no idea how to accomplish this and honestly don't try very hard. I have learned from experience that people have to arrive at this conclusion on their own. If we don't arrive it may be that humans don't make the cut (I expect humans to only be in existence for a transient moment anyway). Scientific data does suggest that 99% of all species of life that has ever existed on this planet is now extinct. I don't see myself or the rest of us as separate from other life or immune from the rules.

Fast, fear may just be the best evolutionary motivator of consciousness however I would rather see people change because they realize love works better, not because they are scared.

I plan to sit back and enjoy the show and not worry too much about it. If we all as individuals change for the better and the world becomes a better, more comfortable place for it then wonderful. If not, wonderful.

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fast wrote:
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bette wrote:
Every accurate report is like another bubble coming up in the pot we are all slowly being boiled alive in.
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I know, and by all sides. They are very good at confusing people. I'm fairly confident that in a generation or so it will start to change fast. The ball is starting to role already on the intent side of things.

Keep your eye on the ball on the Iran issue, That is where the ball is really rolling, What Israel says the US usually does! This is nothing new, It seems like it should be the other way around, Seems like the the stakes keep going up. We the people here in the US will pay one way or the other. Ever wander way the US is not looked upon very favorably in other countries. Especially in the middle east. Remember everybody but who we support are terrorist. Like it or not our money supports that. You are right most everybody at the top sends out confusing messages if they where really fair and told the truth the probably would not be there long. This kind of stuff seems to be our real problem. Fred searching for truth
Well there are two generations (mine and my children) where many of the children were NOT indoctrinated into falsely respecting "Authority" and these are the people who are helping those less fortunate out from under the confusion that false authority causes. All authority is false, btw. It's just data processed into knowledge or not. People know or they don't but taking any information on authority as "true" is dangerous. You need to do the processing but you also need the data to process.
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http://www.aclu.org/blog/free-speech/ho ... otest-bill

How Big a Deal is H.R. 347, That “Criminalizing Protest” Bill?
Posted by Gabe Rottman at 11:56am

"Recent days have seen significant concern about an unassuming bill with an unassuming name: the "Federal Restricted Buildings and Grounds Improvement Act of 2011." The bill, H.R. 347, has been variously described as making the First Amendment illegal or criminalizing the Occupy protests.

The truth is more mundane, but the issues raised are still of major significance for the First Amendment."

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Sinister NWO

(Some folks will find this somewhat upsetting, so use some discretion as to whether to listen to it, or who might be within earshot if you run it aloud.)

Date: 03-10-12
Host: John B. Wells
Guests: John Scura, Douglas Dietrich

John B. Wells was joined by journalist John Scura who discussed globalism as plotted by powerful bankers and business people who wish to end our national sovereignty. "For generations, they've had this vision of creating a one world government with a single currency and a single religion and so forth," he said about the agenda of the "puppet masters" running the planet. While such a unified Earth may sound benevolent, Scura asserted that the true goal is to achieve total control over the populace. "These people just want us all off their planet," he lamented, "they've got that kind of arrogance and ruthlessness about them."

Driving this agenda, Scura said, is a group of powerful families, such as the Rockefellers, who have asserted their influence over the United States, via secretive groups like the Council on Foreign Relations, with the aim of bringing the US into a world government. He explained that these groups act as the true policy makers in America and that "the CFR is embedded in every administration," regardless of political affiliation. Beyond that, Scura maintained that the Federal Reserve acts a key weapon of the elite as it allows for them to manipulate the world economy to their own ends. As such, he suggested that the Great Depression as well as the current financial crisis were both events which were orchestrated by the power brokers to further consolidate their own power and instigate an eventual global government.

Looking ahead to the future, Scura presented a grim outlook for America as this agenda unfolds. "A fascist state is already in writing," he said about the many post-9/11 laws which curtail civil liberties, "it just needs an emergency to put into effect." To that end, he was skeptical about the true nature of the infamous FEMA camps, which are said to be designed for natural disaster survivors, since they feature double-fenced perimeters and watchtowers. Chillingly, he also revealed that, contained within the Health Care Bill, is a mandate which states that "no medical care will be given to patients that have no RFID implants." Ultimately, Scura was pessimistic about halting what appears to be an inexorable pace towards a new world order, saying "these men are so powerful and their plan is so far along that I don't have any magic wand that I could suggest to people."


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Set the date for Sunday March 11, set the time for hours, 1AM, 2AM 3AM
correction... use hours 12 and *4* am... daylight savings time kicked in and the one marked 3 AM is just one minute long.

At the beginning of the hours and at the half is local news.





In the first hour (12AM) the show has:


Behind the Japan Disaster

In the first hour, renegade historian Douglas Dietrich reflected on the anniversary of Japan's earthquake and tsunami disaster. While he conceded that the meltdown at the Fukushima nuclear power facility was caused by the earthquake, Dietrich contended that, simultaneously, a "cyber virus disabled the plant's automated safety systems." Additionally, Dietrich suggested that the earthquake, itself, may have been created by nefarious forces in Japan. He pointed to the terrorist group Aum Shinrikyo, which, Dietrich claimed, has been involved in a "secret energy weapons arms race with the United States." According to him, earthquakes in Australia in 1993 and Osaka in 1995 have suspicious connections to Aum Shinrikyo, specifically the latter quake which was predicted by the group's leader a mere nine days before it happened.


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@Montana, I hope it doesn't hurt the "elites" feelings too much when their plan doesn't work out in America. The federal reserve is already on the chopping block.

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I don't know Lumpy.
People are largely uniformed, stressed out, and their educations and reasoning abilities seem to be steadily declining.
They've gotten as far as they have already with people ostensibly being more capable of being alert and aware.
Most of the media has been co-opted, food and energy move at the direction of big operators, and the ability to monitor individuals and groups is probably greater than it ever was.

People conceivably could suddenly become more lucid, or at least less trance-zombies, but I'm not holding my breath waiting for that to happen.


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Yeah, but the economy crumbling makes people wake up and start to research things. The end the fed/audit the fed movement is pretty big now and growing extremely fast. It has already been predicted that in ten years the federal reserve will have little to no power. We are at the tipping point.

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"Geithner arrested? 116 major bank resignations? What The Finance is this?"

http://www.prisonplanet.com/geithner-ar ... -this.html

Does anyone know anything about this? I am trying to find more about it but I'm not sure if the sources with more info are credible.

Related article?... http://www.reuters.com/article/2012/02/ ... ZG20120228

Is reuters a credible source?

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Lumpy, what do you mean by credible? They all bend information to suite their own needs. Reuters is considered to be credible by today's questionable standards. They used to be a customer of the company I work for.

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