When I began methodically posting 'news items of interest', I asked Ted directly what he thought.
While the items are conceivably interesting and people should maybe be aware of them, that is not at all what this board, this website, is fundamentally meant to be about: the focus is supposed to be on growth, 'evolution', if you like, MBT, etc.
But Ted insisted that being in the world, with all its challenges, is more or less the theater in which we prove out our solutions....and that the material was not inappropriate. He didn't word it quite that way, but that was pretty much my understanding of the jist.

But maybe that question should be opened up to the rest of the group: Is there too much emphasis now on (what seems to be, at least) the immanent collapse of civilization? Would you rather NOT know about, say, poison food, electrical clouding of consciousness, corporate monitoring of everything you do, global corporate predation under the banner of 'spreading democracy', etc^10? ... and just keep the focus on meditation/OBE/astral planes/the next ticket out of here to NPMR etc...?

Feedback solicited.... in the meantime, where I see items that might be of interest, I will still post them.

It would be great if the boards could be roughly color-coded... say, Red for end-of-the-world gah-ity and Indigo for astralesse discussion.


Just say what you think and feel, spare the mousey diplomacy.

-Montana

You can't know if you don't know.
Love
Bette

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what is?
Consciousness.

As I have said before, MBT and the understanding it might provide is not about removing oneself from the world but about understanding why we are here, its purpose and why and what is effective at achieving that purpose. What has been discussed in this thread has produced what I consider positive results in the apparent functioning of more than one board member. That is what I hoped for. We are not to remove ourselves from the world of PMR but to become a force and an influence within it for a positive direction and a correction of negatives to the extent possible.

How many threads on this board go on to 40+ pages?

Ted

Well, the thread may be beyond 40 pages, but this does not mean that the focus is good.

One of the big rules of consciousness: You are what you eat: You follow your focus .... what you focus on tends to 'become more real'.

So I can definitely see both sides of the issue. I gather that some of the boardies, which may post seldom or not at all, find the worldly emphasis unhelpful, or even a bit toxic.

But I gather that the two above responses indicate a go-ahead... luke warm from Bette, and slightly more favorable from Ted.

-Montana

I completely agree Ted, and very well said as well. I've learned that it's all about retrievals and the healing of the Whole. The Whole wants to be fully healed and complete. We can help or hinder that process to varying degrees by use of our freewill.

My deepest desire and intent is to become like the person named "He/She" in Bob Monroe's last book. This btw, relates in a sense to the "Big Cheese" (i'm not talking about He/She now, but the above part) that T.C. talks about. He said he clearly perceives this Consciousness as "male".

The very meaning and definition of Yang or "male" is that of ACTIVENESS, while this Consciousness is very integrated, merged, and balanced between the Yin and Yang, ultimately, it's a bit more Yang than Yin, for it's very active in this Retreival process i talked about in the above. It's an active FORCE and influence for the healing and completion of the Whole.

Getting blblically humorous for a moment, "be ye likewise like the Big Cheese" ; )

This is why the most affecting and transforming mature Consciousnesses who incarnated here as spiritual teachers, examples, and wayshowers, have often chosen to incarnate in male bodies, because of the greater activeness and intensity which is naturally more available to Consciousnesses using these bodies.

This is also why there are far more practicing and professional "psychics" and psychic types who incarnate in female bodies. Because these are more innately receptive and passive in nature, as a trend and speaking of bodiy's and not of the Consciousnesses using them.

What if a big Cheese type incarnated here with a definite purpose, mission, and plan? Would people recognize such a one in the flesh, or would he be beyond most people's perceptions and conceptions. Perhaps he would be killed by others even?

Edgar Cayce's Guidance made some interesting predictions. They indicated that such a thing would definitely happen. Expanded Guidance through that channel said rather vaguely and mysteriously without detail something about the "entrance of the Messiah in 1998" In another reading, they talked about a person who would incarnate in the period of 1958 to 1998, who may develop himself to be a "liberator" of the world in it's relationships to individuals in those periods to come.

If this is true, i doubt many would recognize such a person because remember, Like attracts, begets, resonates with, perceives, and likes Like" This Law built into all VR's, physical and nonphysical makes it so that if someone is on a much faster wavelength than us, we have a hard time perceiving them clearly or even "liking" them. This is why the past liberator of the last Age, was killed unjustly at the hands of others, as the future liberator will likewise be (though in a different manner). I don't envy him this job!

"Expanded Guidance through that channel said rather vaguely and mysteriously without detail something about the "entrance of the Messiah in 1998" In another reading, they talked about a person who would incarnate in the period of 1958 to 1998, who may develop himself to be a "liberator" of the world in it's relationships to individuals in those periods to come."

There are a variety of ways of 'incarnating'. Such an entity might sensibly choose to manifest as a field effect using a group of beings (an ongoing non-physical non-monetary corporate entity ... it continues even though the members that constitute it cycle in and out over time) as a carrier wave to modulate.

Sounds abstract ... but the idea came piling in as I read your words .... figured I would share it.

Welcome to the group, by the way, 9210.

Montana

Hi Montana, thank you for the welcome. I don't want to derail this thread, so i will try to keep it brief in addressing the above. In that 2nd Cayce reading, Cayce's expanded guidance very clearly indicated that this was "reincarnation" of consciousness into a new physical body. They spoke of this coming, possible "liberator" type in terms of a past Earth cycle and of a group that came here to help Retrieve, and speaking of this group and of one of the "leaders" of same, the one who may become that future liberator, "Is it not fitting that these must come again, for this priest may develope..." you know the rest, it's quoted earlier.

This person was incarnated during that Cayce's time and had received this information from Cayce's expanded gudiance, but they were refercing to a futre incarnation of this self, who was related to a far past incarnation of this self, if that makes any sense!? ; )

I've asked my guidance about the above, and have gotten some rather clear and repeating messages about this whole topic, and I've found out that Cayce's guidance was quite accurate about this probability. The "liberator" is here and he is in the process of becoming like Monroe's He/She in order to eventually example to humanity our full potential when we fully attune to Love Consciousness. One of my dream's about him, referred to him as "Emanuel". Emanuel, i later on researched is Hebrew for "God among us".

this will be a truly and fully "enLightened" person in the manner of the last liberator of the last Age. A true and full "He/She" type.

It's not time for him to go fully public, because he hasn't reached that attunement, and first the collaspes must take place. In about 9 years or so, he will go fully public and show undeniable attunement to Love consciousness through manifesting many so called "miracles" like complete healings, manifesting food, disappearing in the crowds, etc. And he will be killed by others, and he will allow it. He comes more purely as an example of our full potential and he will inspire others by this example to try to attain to that as well. "Look, this is what pure Love in the flesh looks like, and look, it has NO limits of perception or of abilities. You can do as i do and be as i am, if you but live and choose like i do."

That's the big Plan for the near future, and Monroe's He/She as his teacher is very much in on it. That and the collaspes that He/She cryptically refers to. For that, i say, look to the Sun in the next couple of years. If corrupt forces decide to instigate another World War III by attacking Iran, then the Sun itself will seem to react to this unjustness and inhumanity and will return destructive energetic with destructive energetic, for that is the Law of what goes around, comes around.

You might be right 9210~

My personal perception of human experience across history is that both 'predictions' and 'messiahs' have, over the course of history, been especially unreliable.
So, I just can't bring myself to put a lot of stock in narratives involving those items as such.

I like the feel behind the energy that seems to drive some of the things that you say.



I do have some reservations about some of your anchors though:

Rosy McKnight, well meaning as she must have been, was heavily entrenched in some sort of christian belief system, if I recall.

Courtney Brown .... let's see. He was a so-called 'remote viewer' that announced on Coasttocoastam, one night back in ... what was it, 97? that some sort of aliens were flying in behind comet Hale-Bopp .... this announcement apparently being taken as a cue to the Heavens' Gate crowd to commit suicide en masse (CB's intent for that outcome is not suggested here). For a reason separate from this, which I don't recall, he is held in contempt by the operators of the coasttocoastam radio show.

Ed Dames .... Sorry... he is a flaming nut case in a class of his own. In cringing whining quavering tones he has been predicting the end of the world, just months away, going on 2 decades now .... and generously offering you the chance to do the same by ordering his remote viewing videos for the modest price of 50 bucks, or whatever. He has never, as far as I know, given even the slightest indication that he has the capacity to remote view his way out of a paper bag. His behavior is not differentiable from any other being that tries to instigate fear and then profit from it.... more as a leech than a predator.

But those are them, not you.

I was glad to have read all of Bob Monroe's books.
If he decides to return to earth, I can imagine that he might select to do so in messiah drag, as a form of humor.
.....buuuuuuuuutttt probably not.
Then again, a situation like that would almost demand some sort of grand entrance.

Still, The whole idea is a sounds like some sort of simian/human modeling projection.

Montana

I'm glad you ask. Yes, I think in the past few months there have been too much focus on "the imminent collapse of civilization" and politics, it seems to have gotten to the point where it almost dominate the threads on the forum. It's really not about whether I want to know about those things, but rather if it is necessary to even be read here on this board. There are dozens of forums and websites for this kind of talk, so I see no problem with people who want to read about it and discuss it, because there are plenty of options for that. In a way, this forum has its own small niche, which no other forum can replace, by spreading our focus to all kind of other topics, our focus for expressing that special niche is in part lost. I know at least one regular member that have been dissuaded from participating at least in part because of this. I wonder how many others there are? It seemed like people was swept down the stream in group consciousness manner :-)

I hope others will add their thoughts about it, so it won't remain 'an unknown'.

"Washington’s high-powered terrorist supporters"

http://www.salon.com/2012/03/12/washing ... singleton/

Don't know if I agree with the law in question(Haven't looked into it really), but if you use a law against others and then do the same thing you shouldn't expect to be exempt from it.

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Sincerely, Ego.

I don't think civilization is going to collapse. I see nothing wrong with this thread in general or posting about politics, GMO food, ext... After all, that is what this whole section of the boards is all about (The place for free form ad lib communication).

If people don't want to read it they should probably refrain from clicking on the thread in the first place. It's not like we are ripping each others head's off in here or anything, it has been pretty civilized and I'm sure many people that have taken part in threads like this have found at least some of the information useful or insightful, I know I have.

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It seems to me this forum is to discuss toms views of reality. Pmr and our interactions in it is most of what he talks about. If somebody does not like a thread maybe it is them that has the problem. You can learn from just about any interaction, People can even start a thread. I don't find much interest in this one but it seems to be helping a lot of people. Fred searching for truth

I don't care too much about politics, and never did. I have my own reasons for that. Also I don't believe in 'the immanent collapse of civilization', but I can see some big and small changes coming and going for the last 25-30 years. I liked this forum better before two or three topics on politics and etc. started to take over everything else here. I don't like to say, that others don't have their right to express what they feel about politics, economy, food, that we all eat. I try to live one day at the time, and older I get, more important this becomes to me. It's not that I don't care what could or would happen to others, but I am much better and my mind is more clear, when I am not talking or reading too much about politics. I am not afraid of what could or would happen, but I am learning to live gracefully with uncertainty, and what could or would happen in a future is uncertainty to me.

Lena

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Fred,

Montana asked about our opinions, and they are as well as valuable as yours. SS is a very bright young man, I would say, that he is not only bright, but a very wise young man. Why should he be silenced on this subject? (this is a rhetorical question)

Lena

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My personal sentiments tend to be pretty close to SS's and Lena's :There are a lot of other places where these things get discussed, (although most other places tend to get emotional to the point of hysteria, and vicious to boot).

And, if 60% of the new posts a person finds when s/he re-visits are concerned with american fascism, environmental degradation and other horror-house items, well, it makes it hard to find the solace, companionship, information, whatever.... or even the psychological space to ask about a weird dream or other experience.

On the other hand, the horror-house material is real, and of tangible consequence: It is important for people to know that their computers and cell phones can be remotely turned on and used as monitoring devices. It is important for people to understand that many corporations and other social entities have morphed into something that is essentially predatory: if people are going to lose their houses, pensions, insurance, health, maybe if they are somewhat aware of the mechanisms involved, they may be able to mitigate the circumstances somewhat. In as much as people are mentally and emotionally able withstand and deal it, it is important that they understand that the future is not going to look very much like the past.


*Shrugs shoulders*

Keep on with the feedback peoples!